Cricketweb decides....Rules for Entry to Test Status

[roseboy64]

I read it as ODIs are worthless.

 

[Richard]

That's a past-tense read, yeah?

 

[andruid]

I read it as ODIs are worthless.

Does that men guys like RTD who may never play test matches are worthless

 

[Matt79]

Not worthless but, through no fault of his own, unable to be considered in the same class as anyone who actually played Test cricket. And would he actually even get a game with any team that deserves Test status?

 

[Richard]

If so, you can gurantee one of them would have tried to get him to qualify.

 

[Perm]

Not worthless but, through no fault of his own, unable to be considered in the same class as anyone who actually played Test cricket. And would he actually even get a game with any team that deserves Test status?

Bangladesh, easily, although I suppose you could say they don't deserve Test status. At the moment, he wouldn't, as his bowling isn't good enough. He's going pretty well in County Cricket though, averages in the mid-40's for Essex, so he he does have a future ahead of him as a county pro, although whether he'll ever be Test class is very unlikely.

 

[Matt79]

Bangladesh, easily, although I suppose you could say they don't deserve Test status. At the moment, he wouldn't, as his bowling isn't good enough. He's going pretty well in County Cricket though, averages in the mid-40's for Essex, so he he does have a future ahead of him as a county pro, although whether he'll ever be Test class is very unlikely.

Precisely. Bangladesh only deserve Test status at the moment on potential.

 

[Richard]

Bangladesh, easily, although I suppose you could say they don't deserve Test status. At the moment, he wouldn't, as his bowling isn't good enough. He's going pretty well in County Cricket though, averages in the mid-40's for Essex, so he he does have a future ahead of him as a county pro, although whether he'll ever be Test class is very unlikely.

TBH I don't see his bowling as ever being good enough. He's a poor man's Watson (is it a coincidence that Gelman et al are fans of both... ). He'd do best to just bat and bat as best he can IMO.

 

[Perm]

TBH I don't see his bowling as ever being good enough. He's a poor man's Watson (is it a coincidence that Gelman et al are fans of both... ). He'd do best to just bat and bat as best he can IMO.

Neither do I, but it demolishes the other Associate nations whenever he plays for the Nethlerlands. Also, FTR I'm a RTD fan but not a Watson fan. Make what you want of that

 

[silentstriker]

Yup, RTD impress me more through his performances in FC cricket more than any ODIs.

Though it's a bit sad that guys like Tikolo (who was quite good and probably good enough to contest for a spot in at least one of Test sides in his prime) didn't get more opportunities to play FC cricket.

 

[Richard]

Certainly is. Crying shame in fact.

Guess I$C$C are more to blame than anyone, but the old KCA certainly must take some (not that there was much interest in cricket from many working there).

 

[Matt79]

It was presumably open to him to try and qualify for one of the Test playing countries.

 

[andruid]

Which brings the question why does someone in order to play test cricket (the only worthwile version of the game) have to be a citizen of a select group of countries?

 

[Richard]

They don't, any more.

One can qualify via residence if one has talent and desire to play Test cricket, and this is quite right.

 

[andruid]

So one has to effectively leave one's home country and swear alliegiance to another to play test cricket?

 

[Richard]

Yes. For me, the stigma attached to that is too overbearing. People move around inside a country ATT to improve their chances of doing this and that: better-paid job, better accomodation, better cricket, whatever.

I feel people throw the "turning your back on your country" crap around too often when you leave. No more than one is turning his or her back on their city when they move elsewhere.

Personally, I'm a "happy at home" type. I've lived in 3 different cities, moved house 7 times, gone to 6 different schools... and pretty much every change has been a real wrench, I've hated it. But some people are different, and if they want to move around to get the best they can out of something - anything - why shouldn't they?

 

[Matt79]

So one has to effectively leave one's home country and swear alliegiance to another to play test cricket?

Well Test cricket is by definition a contest between national cricket teams. The only solution within that framework to the problem you're raising is a) make every country that has any level of cricket participation a test nation, which would be utterly unworkable and make a mockery of the thing, or b) remove any restrictions on movements of players from one country to another, which would destroy the basis of competition between teams.

Is there an alternative I'm not thinking of here?

 

[andruid]

Well Test cricket is by definition a contest between national cricket teams. The only solution within that framework to the problem you're raising is a) make every country that has any level of cricket participation a test nation, which would be utterly unworkable and make a mockery of the thing, or b) remove any restrictions on movements of players from one country to another, which would destroy the basis of competition between teams.

Is there an alternative I'm not thinking of here?

Not that I can think of but yes this does seem to be the vicious cycle that seems to be holding up cricket as a global sport

 

[Richard]

I don't think it's holding it up at all TBH. There are negligable numbers of cricketers who've come from Associate countries and made it big in their adopted homelands. ten Doeschate's the only one who comes immediately to mind.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

I don't think it's holding it up at all TBH. There are negligable numbers of cricketers who've come from Associate countries and made it big in their adopted homelands. ten Doeschate's the only one who comes immediately to mind.

Graeme Hick?