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Cricket Australia Contracts

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
From what I heard from the head selector, the guy that likes hook, can't remember his name. It looks like the contracts/rankings are based on over rating in all forms. So players like Jaques, Warner and Tait who aren't really consider in all three forms would struggle to get contracts under that system. Whereas as guys like Manou, Hodge, White or Dussey who are close in all three are more likely to get contracts. Basically the best 25 cricketers overall in Australia, not the 25 most likely to play Internationals.

Does seem a tad strange. But the way overall payments are given, it is based heavierly on match payments. So in theory if Crazy got back into the Test side and jumped ahead of Hauritz in ODIs and T20, then he could earn more from match payments/short term contract, then Hauritz from his base rate. So it all a bit superficial in the end if you don't play games anyway.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
McDonald & White obvious garbage. Jaques & Tait (regardless of injury woes) are definately on of the top 25 players.

Interesting position oh Hauritz, agree that he deserves a contract given he will be the main ODI spinner for a while yet. But given his test credentials aren't as safe i worry this means he will get selected in the Ashes squad which im 100% againts.

Thank god, Hodge is in also...
 
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stephen

Hall of Fame Member
From what I heard from the head selector, the guy that likes hook, can't remember his name. It looks like the contracts/rankings are based on over rating in all forms. So players like Jaques, Warner and Tait who aren't really consider in all three forms would struggle to get contracts under that system. Whereas as guys like Manou, Hodge, White or Dussey who are close in all three are more likely to get contracts. Basically the best 25 cricketers overall in Australia, not the 25 most likely to play Internationals.

Does seem a tad strange. But the way overall payments are given, it is based heavierly on match payments. So in theory if Crazy got back into the Test side and jumped ahead of Hauritz in ODIs and T20, then he could earn more from match payments/short term contract, then Hauritz from his base rate. So it all a bit superficial in the end if you don't play games anyway.
Even that doesn't justify Jaques being dropped.

He has a test match average over 45 in a short number of tests.

He has a first class average over 50 and over 11k runs to his name.

He has a List A average of over 42 at a strike rate of 90 and over 4000 runs to his name.

The only thing he shouldn't be in line for is T20 cricket. Heck, as soon as he's fit I'd like to see him in the ODI side ahead of Marsh and Watson (as an opener).
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Even that doesn't justify Jaques being dropped.

He has a test match average over 45 in a short number of tests.

He has a first class average over 50 and over 11k runs to his name.

He has a List A average of over 42 at a strike rate of 90 and over 4000 runs to his name.

The only thing he shouldn't be in line for is T20 cricket. Heck, as soon as he's fit I'd like to see him in the ODI side ahead of Marsh and Watson (as an opener).
What his average run saved in outfield in List A/Twenty20 matches. Pretty much put down as Test/FC specialist cus he doesn't field like Symonds.

Note I don't think that right, as he has good pair of hands and catches win matches.
 

Howsie

International Captain
[McDonald & White obvious garbage. Jaques & Tait (regardless of injury woes) are definately on of the top 25 players.

Interesting position oh Hauritz, agree that he deserves a contract given he will be the main ODI spinner for a while yet. But given his test credentials aren't as safe i worry this means he will get selected in the Ashes squad which im 100% againts.

Thank god, Hodge is in also... /QUOTE]

I would hardly call McDonald rubbish, he is a quality all-rounder.
 

Matt79

Global Moderator
AWTA. McDonald not rubbish. He's not brilliant but he's proven useful and has done the role asked of him, albeit we'd like to see him produce more with the bat.

Disgrace that Jaques doesn't have a contract when people like D.Hussey and White do. I reckon he's a reasonable shout of being back in the team by the end of the Ashes.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
McDonald = quality?? haa. He aint good enough to play test cricket for Australia as an all-rounder. Solid state player thats it.

There isn't much between him & James Hopes really, Hopes should have played vs SA if i had the oppurtunity of seeing McDonald before that tour.

Arguably the worst test player to wear the baggygreen in my time of watching cricket along with Young, Mueller, Casson, Haurtiz, Wilson, Dale. Yuckkkkk
 

Matt79

Global Moderator
Disagree. Reckon he'll do alright if he's selected for the Ashes. He's exactly the kind of nothing, dibbly-dobbler bowler that can be successful over there. Would rather him than any of the specialist spinners in the role of workhorse/over-rate remedier. And if you reckon he's worse than some of those you've named, I'd have to say you're wrong.
 

oitoitoi

State Vice-Captain
Macdonald is awful, shocked at his selection, if he has been picked for a containment/work horse role, his batting isn't good enough IMO. Australia would be better off going with 4 out and out strike bowlers (sort of) e.g. Johnson, Clark (tait would be nice but unlikely and unreliable), Lee, Siddle. Use Michael Clarke and Simon Katich's spin a lot more for filler.
 

howardj

International Coach
Tait would be fairly fairly pissed off at the moment.

In April, he was told by Cricket Australia that he had to stand down from IPL because they did not think he was fit enough to play - they have the right to do this as he was contracted at the time.

One month later, they dump him from the contract list.

Anyway, I think Jaques's ommission is harsh, as CA have stuck by other injury prone players in the past such as Tait and Watson.
 

Matt79

Global Moderator
Macdonald is awful, shocked at his selection, if he has been picked for a containment/work horse role, his batting isn't good enough IMO. Australia would be better off going with 4 out and out strike bowlers (sort of) e.g. Johnson, Clark (tait would be nice but unlikely and unreliable), Lee, Siddle. Use Michael Clarke and Simon Katich's spin a lot more for filler.
Um, don't think we really have 4 test quality strike bowlers. Unless 'strike' means 'unable to bowl a tight spell'. To quickly update you on current events re Clark and Lee, it's not 07/08 anymore.
 

oitoitoi

State Vice-Captain
Tait would be fairly fairly pissed off at the moment.

In April, he was told by Cricket Australia that he had to stand down from IPL because they did not think he was fit enough to play - they have the right to do this as he was contracted at the time.

One month later, they dump him from the contract list.

Anyway, I think Jaques's ommission is harsh, as CA have stuck by other injury prone players in the past such as Tait and Watson.
lol @ Tait, considering he was almost going to call it quits not too long ago, this is some pretty dire man management by CA. Jaques is incredibly unlucky, never really did anything wrong his whole career, then just got injured at the wrong time (one of the few injuries he's ever had I believe). Poor form by CA dropping him from the contract list, especially when the likes of White and Macdonald are on there, or even Hodge (a more apt comparison).
 

howardj

International Coach
When is the Ashes squad announced OOI?
My CA spies and various other operatives tell me that the squad will be picked next Wednesday, and therefore likely announced on Thursday. They further tell me that it will be a squad of 15.
 

Redbacks

International Captain
Andrew Hilditch mentioned their is only one spinner in the squad (unlucky white) but as has been mentioned they have a rankings list of all players and currently no other spinner is in the top 25, but they would be selected if required. Weird way to choose a squad but it does make it more competetive amongst the states to produce contracted players.
 

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The thing is, Manou's only one year younger than Haddin. The gap between Gilchrist and Haddin is six years, and the gap between Healy and Gilchrist is eight years, so I do think this is quite a different situation.

I expected them to pick someone who could potentially take over from Haddin when he retired - not that I think that's right, but that's what I was expecting. Manou is going to retire at about the same time as Haddin.. it's not like he's heir to the throne like Haddin and Gilchrist before him quite obviously were.

Pleased they've gone with the next best candidate irrespective of age though, TBH.
Yeah, think you're right. I reckon they're going for him as purely the Hodge-type; proven, older player who can jump in while the other long-term candidates develop. TBH, if they're any good at all, that Wade and Hartley were even in contention should be enough to give them incentive, even though they missed out.

Tait's chances of ever making it as a Test cricketer are diminishing quickly. Since his brief retirement he has never really got his body or mind back to his best. The depth in Australian bowling stocks means unless he has a big season next year I think his time has passed.
For now, he's not even on the radar anyway. Tendonitis isn't an injury which clears up so until he makes himself available for selection in the SA Shield team (for which he missed over the half the season last year), a Test spot isn't something he's even aiming for.

Macdonald is awful, shocked at his selection, if he has been picked for a containment/work horse role, his batting isn't good enough IMO. Australia would be better off going with 4 out and out strike bowlers (sort of) e.g. Johnson, Clark (tait would be nice but unlikely and unreliable), Lee, Siddle. Use Michael Clarke and Simon Katich's spin a lot more for filler.
Both Katich and Clarke are on record as saying they don't bowl much to avoid injury and frankly that's smart. Considering how valuable they are with the bat, anything which gets in the way of that (i.e bowling) has to go. The idea that Clarke and Kat can fill in for overs really should be let go, it ain't going to happen when both the players themselves have said they don't want to do it.

As for McDonald, the bowling unit bowled better as a team with him than without him. And he took wickets in SA. In the absence of a decent spinning option, that's a decent reason to keep him, especially if he contributes with the bat as much as he did in the last Test in SA.

Tait would be fairly fairly pissed off at the moment.

In April, he was told by Cricket Australia that he had to stand down from IPL because they did not think he was fit enough to play - they have the right to do this as he was contracted at the time.

One month later, they dump him from the contract list.
Depends on his ambitions. If he wants to play Tests, he'll have to play FC cricket for SA first. I would hazard this is a crucial off-season for him. If his injury shows no sign of healing, he'd probably look at losing his contract as blessing in disguise because it'd free him up to play IPL from now on. EZ money.
 

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