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Best Test Team In The World?

Which is the best test side in the world?


  • Total voters
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GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
disproved? By wins over WI, Pak, Ban and an Australian team that got beat by Pak?

Are you seriously suggesting England dominated that series in SA?
The point that's constantly disproved is your bleating about the series in Saffa, FFS.

We didn't dominate that series, no. We didn't lose it either. We drew, and deservedly so. The matches that were draws were not drew to rain but because South Africa couldn't bowl us out.

You know what, if you mention the fact that our draw in South Africa shouldn't count again, well you can scratch India's win in England actually....
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, I don't have the power to set up a Test tomorrow.

I don't think anyone would beat us in England atm, which is my point.

And yeah when you bring up the same pathetic points over and over (even though they have been repeatedly disproved) then you are trolling.
I would love to see a England vs India match currently in England.

Yes England are very tough to beat currently at home ,but with the type of swing bowlers and experienced batsmen India have we will be the best bet currently to beat England in England.
Last time even Rp did pretty well there.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Have to laugh at all this talk about England being anywhere near South Africa. The last series between them had SA dominating them 3 out of 4 tests, and the series before that in England SA won 2-1. England flatter to deceive, are hyped up by their press, and this current side isn't as good as the Ashes 2005 that was supposed to conquer the world.

People seems to forget that a team doesn't become number one by having a good few series at home and crushing some weak opponents like Pakistan. To be decisively no.1 you need to have sustained success and be able to be world beaters outside of home. You don't become no.1 based on random speculation how you might do against an opponent with no record to back it up.

South Africa are the only team that qualify for number one, partially due to the weakness of others outside home in the recent past. Since 2007, SA have under Smith beaten Pakistan, England, NZ, WI, and Australia outside and drawn two series with India (the most difficult place to tour) with pretty much the same nucleus of a team they have now. The only blemish has been their loss to Australia at home in 2009.

Compare that with India under Dhoni who have won a string of home victories but have only beaten a Bond-less NZ and seem ready to lose to Sri Lanka outside, and Australia under Ponting who have lost to India, England, and SA in the past two years. England under Strauss have won the 2009 Ashes and were lucky to escape with a draw in SA. If they can manage a draw in Australia then perhaps we can talk.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
FFS, no, we weren't lucky to draw in South Africa. Luck would suggest that factors outside of our control got us the draw. We weren't bowled out because the likes of Collingwood, Bell & Onions held their nerve.

Don't have a problem with people not believing us to be up there yet (although the Saffa 08 series is pretty much irrelevant) but am sick of this claptrap being rolled out time and time again.

Also nobody seems to mention how awesome we were in the Boxing Day Test against South Africa where we made them look second rate.

Edit - Also, as much as SA's away record might be good, their home record counts against them. You have to win both home and away to be the best in the world, if you can't do it at home then there is something wrong.
 
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WTF is all this about 'lucky' draws?Everyone gets lucky at some point or the other FFS,and honestly,luck cannot be quantified.A batsman might edge a ball just wide of first slip for four and that'd be luck as well.Toss in wrong decisions,toss,availability of players etc.It is all luck.
 
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subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
FFS, no, we weren't lucky to draw in South Africa. Luck would suggest that factors outside of our control got us the draw. We weren't bowled out because the likes of Collingwood, Bell & Onions held their nerve.

Don't have a problem with people not believing us to be up there yet (although the Saffa 08 series is pretty much irrelevant) but am sick of this claptrap being rolled out time and time again.

Also nobody seems to mention how awesome we were in the Boxing Day Test against South Africa where we made them look second rate.

Edit - Also, as much as SA's away record might be good, their home record counts against them. You have to win both home and away to be the best in the world, if you can't do it at home then there is something wrong.
Fine, we can disagree on whether they were lucky, but dont pretend that by the end of the series South Africa didn't look like the superior team.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The point that's constantly disproved is your bleating about the series in Saffa, FFS.

We didn't dominate that series, no. We didn't lose it either. We drew, and deservedly so. The matches that were draws were not drew to rain but because South Africa couldn't bowl us out.

You know what, if you mention the fact that our draw in South Africa shouldn't count again, well you can scratch India's win in England actually....
There's a difference between the recent draw between SA and India, when both team seemed to share the honors, and the draw between Eng-SA when the 1-1 scoreline didn't reflect the difference in quality between the teams in the series.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Who looked like the superior team with two Tests to go when they were trounced by an innings and then some?

Results matter, we went to Saffa and drew and that should have been enough for people to start taking us seriously. It's been quite a while since we lost a Test series now, maybe even the longest unbeaten team in terms of series at the minute (can't remember when Sri Lanka last lost so it could be them?)

Yeah sure, we have tougher tests ahead, but people are downplaying the Ashes win with revisionism because a lot of people never gave us a chance.
 
Who looked like the superior team with two Tests to go when they were trounced by an innings and then some?

Results matter, we went to Saffa and drew and that should have been enough for people to start taking us seriously. It's been quite a while since we lost a Test series now, maybe even the longest unbeaten team in terms of series at the minute (can't remember when Sri Lanka last lost so it could be them?)

Yeah sure, we have tougher tests ahead, but people are downplaying the Ashes win with revisionism because a lot of people never gave us a chance.
Sri Lanka lost as recently as Nov 09.Ind last lost a series in early 2008 in SL.

England's last series loss was in late 08 in India if I'm not wrong.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Whatever they 'looked' the scoreline read 1-1.Given that SA were playing at home,that's surely a point in favour of England.
This reminds me of when Pakistan drew with India in India in 2005. A good achievement, sure, but nobody was suggesting that somehow they were equal.

One can't forget all the hype before the series expecting England to give South Africa a run for the money. In the final two tests, when Steyn hit his stride after returning from injury, SA looked a markedly better outfit.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Sri Lanka lost as recently as Nov 09.Ind last lost a series in early 2008 in SL.

England's last series loss was in late 08 in India if I'm not wrong.
Early 09 in the West Indies but close enough.

This reminds me of when Pakistan drew with India in India in 2005. A good achievement, sure, but nobody was suggesting that somehow they were equal.

One can't forget all the hype before the series expecting England to give South Africa a run for the money. In the final two tests, when Steyn hit his stride after returning from injury, SA looked a markedly better outfit.
Er guess what, going home with a tied series is very much the definition of giving them a run for their money. How about when Broad hit his stride at Xmas and their batsmen looked like Second XI cricketers? We gave them a run for their money, yes they looked great in the last Test when they beat us, we looked great in the second. The first was a draw all the way until there was an hour to go, revisionism suggests it was a panic but really it was just a bit of a late ****-up, we certainly weren't dominated. Third Test, yeah they were much better than us but still couldn't bowl us out twice, and really again it wound up being closer than it should have been.

We gave them a run for their money, they had to work to the end of the series to take spoils from it.

A lot of you need to get over it and accept that we are a competitive force in Test cricket again.
 
England haven't been beaten for 5 series now since their loss to WI in early 09 (just checked cricinfo).

Australia - the Pak series was their 4th unbeaten one since their Ashes loss to Eng in late 09.

SA - last series loss was in early 09 to Aus at home,following which they have played 3 series.

India-Since India's early 08 loss to SL away,they haven't been beaten for 6 series - which is the highest for any team currently.This will change if England beat Pak and/or India lose to SL - both of which look likely ATM.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
England haven't been beaten for 5 series now since their loss to WI in early 09 (just checked cricinfo).

Australia - the Pak series was their 4th unbeaten one since their Ashes loss to Eng in late 09.

SA - last series loss was in early 09 to Aus at home,following which they have played 3 series.

India-Since India's early 08 loss to SL away,they haven't been beaten for 6 series - which is the highest for any team currently.This will change if England beat Pak and/or India lose to SL - both of which look likely ATM.
And if we're applying Sir Alex's bat**** stupid logic, we won the series in the West Indies.
 

Sir Alex

Banned
And if we're applying Sir Alex's bat**** stupid logic, we won the series in the West Indies.
Hold on Cal, nowhere I suggested SA won that series against England did I?

Still I am waiting for a convincing reason why England can be regarded as No.1 in test cricket. The rankings say they are no.4 or 5. And they haven't beaten any top 5 teams of late barring Australia in a series.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Hold on Cal, nowhere I suggested SA won that series against England did I?

Still I am waiting for a convincing reason why England can be regarded as No.1 in test cricket. The rankings say they are no.4 or 5. And they haven't beaten any top 5 teams of late barring Australia in a series.
Great logic that.

We haven't played India for 2 years or Sri Lanka for 3 years. We've won the most recent series against Australia and managed a draw in South Africa, which is much more credible than India's away performances for 3 years.
 

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