Andre Nel and sledging

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Look, swearing at a guy personaly is not the same as swearing at him in some cricketing context. Richards calling McDermott a f*cking coward for the way he played bouncers is acceptable, but Richards calling McDermott a f*cker who can only f*ck (that is, nothing to do with cricket, just downright personal insults) SHOULD NOT be allowed.

Yup.
Its the normalising brigade that encourages the progressive degenerative behaviour in society really.... There are codes of conduct and minimum decency to be observed or it might as well be allout war. The disciplinary aspect have been nothing more than slaps on the wrist...i mean..suspended for 2 ODIs or 4000 bucks fine...whopee ding. Thats like fining me $1.50 and saying 'i cannot go out on next saturday'.
For eg, there have been so much racist abuse in OZ this time around....I wonder how much of that would persist if the abusive person's name was taken down and promptly placed on a 5 year ban from ALL Cricket Australia facilities.
Or like Tony Greig saying what OZ players sledge about is unspeakable...well... i wonder how much of that would be true if the next time someone yells ' black c*nt' he is promptly banned from all international cricket for 5 years.
Crack down hard and you will see results.
I am pretty tolerant myself but i dont tolerate hooliganism.

Please don't make me have to close this thread on account of experienced members blatantly disregarding a simple and clearly stated rule.

 

[C_C]

Death threats are ILLEGAL
Big difference.

in SOME nations. NOT all nations. Death threats in Sharjah are NOT illegal FYI. And as i said, simply ebcause its legal or illegal means f-all to me. There are several laws that have no logical basis to it. Assumption of 'proper' and 'improper' by strict interpretation of national laws is just an assumption. Not cast in stone fundamental dictum.

Whose minimum standards? Yours?, Mine?, Andre Nel's?
Far too difficult to do. I dont like sledging but I hate the fact that there is currently so much interference in all walks of life by sensitive types who end up taking the edge of things and making things increasingly dull and regulated. I dont like sledging but I would not want to see it disappear.

I dont care much about sledging anyways. And yes, its my standards- we all speak from our own individual standards. I wanna cut out the hostilities in the middle. simple.

 

[C_C]

Please don't make me have to close this thread on account of experienced members blatantly disregarding a simple and clearly stated rule.

Please quit making ninny-eseque threatening remarks and take action ( or dont).
Either which way its utterly irrelevant to me. If you wanna lock it, then do so. If you dont, then dont. We are all aware of the petty rule and given the general disregard for it here,i suggest you either go update your rulebook ( it would be called public litigation act in legal parlayance) or start taking action.

 

[Sanz]

Jeez C_C, is it so hard to be little polite.

It is so ironic that you are arguing about punishing players for indecency and being insulting and yet so arrogant about not following the forum rules and ask the guy to update the rule book just because he reminded you to follow the rules.

 

[Smudge]

Please quit making ninny-eseque threatening remarks and take action ( or dont).
Either which way its utterly irrelevant to me. If you wanna lock it, then do so. If you dont, then dont. We are all aware of the petty rule and given the general disregard for it here,i suggest you either go update your rulebook ( it would be called public litigation act in legal parlayance) or start taking action.

He's giving you a chance to clean up your act.... calm down.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Dude, kids have parents, sure. But not all parents PLAY cricket. Out on the field, as a youngster, my aim was to replicate my heroes... Jonty Rhodes, Sachin Tendulkar, Brian Lara... One of my mates was a tall lad who bowled pretty quick. He always emulated Ambrose. You don't expect kids to play cricket the way their parents played, do you? Out on the field, almost ALL kids will look to emulate their heroes. And I know that in my school team (which I coached during my vacation last year) one of the young boy thinks it is mandatory for him to tell batsmen that "he is in the side because he f*cks his captain"... Guess who his hero was. A certain tall Australian all time great bowler. To brush off such things as responsible behaviour in front of the camera when you are representing your country is ignorance of the highest order.

Kid's parents don't have to have played cricket to be good parents. Why is it that kids are assumed to be totally mindless? You try to be like your heroes, but you still know what's right or wrong surely. If you don't, it's not the fault of the sportspeople.

 

[C_C]

Kid's parents don't have to have played cricket to be good parents. Why is it that kids are assumed to be totally mindless? You try to be like your heroes, but you still know what's right or wrong surely. If you don't, it's not the fault of the sportspeople.

Its a responsibility of a public figure to carry themselves with decorum. Or do you prefer the 'i dont have no responsibility' line of thought ?

 

[C_C]

Jeez C_C, is it so hard to be little polite.

It is so ironic that you are arguing about punishing players for indecency and being insulting and yet so arrogant about not following the forum rules and ask the guy to update the rule book just because he reminded you to follow the rules.

I can play both sides. Just giving a taste exactly why what passesfor sledging today is disgusting crap and the hostility it breeds is unecessary.

 

[marc71178]

Jeez C_C, is it so hard to be little polite.

It is so ironic that you are arguing about punishing players for indecency and being insulting and yet so arrogant about not following the forum rules and ask the guy to update the rule book just because he reminded you to follow the rules.

I also liked the irony of him wanting all swearing to be banned then going to special lengths to ensure that the swear words he types are known by all and sundry.

 

[C_C]

I also liked the irony of him wanting all swearing to be banned then going to special lengths to ensure that the swear words he types are known by all and sundry.

The ironic fact is, i am being lambasted for the same stuff others are trying to defend in sportsmen - swearing unecessarily.
Like i said - sometimes you have to step over the fence to show the other side what it really is like.
Tell me why swearing here is not on but swearing on the pitch is.

 

[Dasa]

What I am finding quite amazing about this thread is the lengths to which people are going to defend what most people would agree is something quite unpleasant...

 

[kvemuri]

Wow..this thread has become an episode of 24

 

[Son Of Coco]

Its a responsibility of a public figure to carry themselves with decorum. Or do you prefer the 'i dont have no responsibility' line of thought ?

Not at all, but I think everyone should have responsibility, not just a certain subgroup. It's a bit hypocritical to highlight the player's role as rolemodels while in some cases fans riot, throw things on the ground, burn effigys (or is that effigies?) of players and set fire to stands. In the meantime some parents are setting a worse example than a cricketer ever could.

If we're that worried about the effect watching something on TV could have on our precious offspring, why don't we ban it all together? Publics figures should behave perfectly, so should we, we're human though aren't we? Over-reacting and putting these people in charge of the supposed welfare of our kids is ridiculous.

In the meantime, if a player does go over the top on the field, let him get dealt with accordingly.

 

[Son Of Coco]

"What's that?", a man once said of sledging
The answer was "a form of literary dredging"
you can put a man off
by calling him a toff
but don't ever say "you're a ****ing ******** Smedging"

*My apologies to Lucky Eddie for this ongoingly blatant plagiarism

 

[James]

Please quit making ninny-eseque threatening remarks and take action ( or dont).
Either which way its utterly irrelevant to me. If you wanna lock it, then do so. If you dont, then dont. We are all aware of the petty rule and given the general disregard for it here,i suggest you either go update your rulebook ( it would be called public litigation act in legal parlayance) or start taking action.

This is a 1st official warning.

Anymore and you'll face a ban.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

What I am finding quite amazing about this thread is the lengths to which people are going to defend what most people would agree is something quite unpleasant...

What I am finding quite amazing about this thread is the lengths to which people are going to misrepresent what most people would agree is something quite harmless...

 

[C_C]

What I am finding quite amazing about this thread is the lengths to which people are going to misrepresent what most people would agree is something quite harmless...

What passes for sledging out there is mostly not acceptable stuff.
I find it interesting that you take such a strong stance against reducing the nastyness in the game.

And dont be so sure on the 'most people would agree' part....most people from the subcontinent find swearing ( unless said in a very joking fashion) to be highly inflammatory.

 

[C_C]

Publics figures should behave perfectly, so should we, we're human though aren't we?

Look mate, thats utter codswallop.
There are minimum decency standards to be followed on public television. If not, its about time cricket got a tougher censorship rating. It is disingenious to attribute and twist my statement to 'tv is bad for kids' simply because i am not arguing about tv- i am arguing about non fictional public performances. Obviously parents have a job to do but that does NOT negate the fact that public figures have a responsibility not to act like douchebags in midst of their performance.

When you are on the public spotlight, you have to behave. Period. If you cannot, you shouldnt BE on public spotlight. That comes with the job. I wouldnt say someone like Tendulkar is 'perfect' but his attitude is the one i want to promote. Not the Andre Nel type hooliganism.

 

[Dasa]

What I am finding quite amazing about this thread is the lengths to which people are going to misrepresent what most people would agree is something quite harmless...

Hardly most people....as C_C said, the vast majority of people in the subcontinent regard sledging as unacceptable.
Anyway, even if it's harmless most people would still find it unpleasant, especially if subjected to it.

 

[Tom Halsey]

What I am finding quite amazing about this thread is the lengths to which people are going to defend what most people would agree is something quite unpleasant...

What's this then?

I don't think anyone has tried to defend out and out abuse.

There is obviously some cloud over what exactly is sledging, but I think most people would agree that cricket-related digs are perfectly acceptable.