All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[Thala_0710]

Chris Martin is a better bowler than Sobers. If we are picking a bowler, might as well pick Martin. The quality of Sobers' batting clearly doesn't count cos Martin batted at 11.

Or we could consider the batting of both people when making a comparison between them?

Sobers isn't the opening bowler for us.
He's not even first change. For the opening bowlers, how good they are with the new ball + complimentary styles to the other 2 quicks surely matters much too rather than just batting avg?

 

[ataraxia]

Those evil Kiwis are up to no good and forced CW voters to choose that Hadlee bloke.

The discrimination against McGrath and other Aussies can be untenable here.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The discrimination against McGrath and other Aussies can be untenable here.

Agree.

I'm actually really surprised that Bradman and Gilchrist got picked ahead of Andrew Jones and Adam Parore. Must've been sympathy votes.

 

[Thala_0710]

Hutton vs Grace should be good
Warne vs Murali should be legendary!

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Warne vs Murali should be legendary!

Really good idea for a thread/comparison imo.

 

[Thala_0710]

Really good idea for a thread/comparison imo.

We're really getting into new and innovative debates here

 

[capt_Luffy]

Warne vs Murali should be legendary!

Really good idea for a thread/comparison imo.

@Prince EWS

 

[Coronis]

So @kyear2 is Knott your first choice for an ATG XI keeper or not? Or were you just bsing to prove some sort of point?

 

[Bolo.]

Sobers isn't the opening bowler for us.
He's not even first change. For the opening bowlers, how good they are with the new ball + complimentary styles to the other 2 quicks surely matters much too rather than just batting avg?

Not really the point I was raising. I'm commenting on the fact that it's considered okay to play someone crap at number 11 simply because they are number 11. They are number 11 cos they are crap. It's a negative that people hand wave away. And, more importantly, is the fact that they are being compared to someone much better than a number 11.

WRT the points you are making, I don't regard the opening bowling specifically to be that concerning. I don't even think you should have set opening bowlers in a team like this. You have 3 of the best new ball bowlers ever, and a very limited amount of new ball time. Whoever is on fire/best suited to circumstances should be getting as much of the new ball as possible. What happens in the many overs after the new ball is more of a concern.

If you still want to talk about opening bowlers, the Sobers/Martin example applies. Obviously neither of them are opening the bowling for this team. But both did at times for their own teams. Nobody would pick Martin, even if convinced he was better as a bowler. The team is clearly better with Sobers in it. And if there is a single example of where picking the best specialist is wrong, it means that the principle of picking the best specialist is wrong. It needs to assessed case by case.

 

[Zinzan]

So we didn't select the best new ball bowler of all time and the bowler consistently chosen as the 2nd best bowler of all time

Why?

He couldn't bat.

But doesn't he bat no. 11?

Yup.

And aren't there the best batsmen in the world above him?

Yup.

The actual ****

Irrational post considering whether you think Hadlee or McGrath is the better bowler you've got to acknowledge it's a razor-thin thing either way, and not an outrage.

You're making it sound like we selected Alastair Cook over Len Hutton.

 

[Thala_0710]

Hutton vs Grace should be good
Warne vs Murali should be legendary!

Hutton vs Grace is now a 3-way fight including Gavaskar.... Gavaskar and Grace neck to neck with Hutton leading the way... Interesting.... I expected a bit more votes for Grace

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hutton vs Grace is now a 3-way fight including Gavaskar.... Gavaskar and Grace neck to neck with Hutton leading the way... Interesting.... I expected a bit more votes for Grace

Most sadly don't count him at all, and a few just makes this teams based on FC. Think Hutton is quite secured now.

 

[Thala_0710]

Most sadly don't count him at all, and a few just makes this teams based on FC. Think Hutton is quite secured now.

It's 8-4-4 I think as it stands, a comeback is still possible

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's 8-4-4 I think as it stands, a comeback is still possible

Possible yes, likely no.

 

[Thala_0710]

Possible yes, likely no.

Warne beating Murali too by the looks of it

 

[capt_Luffy]

Warne beating Murali too by the looks of it

Was kinda expected but after like 10 votes they were neck and neck. Since Warne got a decent lead

 

[Thala_0710]

Was kinda expected but after like 10 votes they were neck and neck. Since Warne got a decent lead

I think his slip fielding and batting proves to be difference in such exercises, which is why I voted for him.
I used to have Warne higher as a bowler for the longest, now I've switched to Murali but they are basically neck and neck realistically with the ball.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think his slip fielding and fielding proves to be difference in such exercises

And batting. Murali in general tends to beat him in bowler's poll et such

 

[Thala_0710]

And batting.

Yeah I meant that

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think his slip fielding and batting proves to be difference in such exercises, which is why I voted for him.
I used to have Warne higher as a bowler for the longest, now I've switched to Murali but they are basically neck and neck realistically with the ball.

I have them batting at 11, and Murali was more than decent in the outfield, quite good when he was young. So a smaller factor than it usually is for me.