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A Normal Weekend Out On The Town: Binge Drinking and Violence

Son Of Coco

Hall of Fame Member
I was just watching 60 minutes, and they had a story on violence on the streets of our cities here in Australia. I knew it had become worse in the past few years as when I went away to the UK in 2002 I was shocked by some of the stuff I saw on the streets there in comparison to here at home in Oz. Upon my return to Australia 2 and a half years later I was amazed how quickly we were catching up.

The boy in this story:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/lost-133-in-the-blink-of-an-eye/2007/03/23/1174597890505.html

...featured in the story on 60 minutes, along with scenes of senseless violence including people being kicked in the head as they cowered on the ground.

I wonder when the change occured and what caused it?

Binge drinking has been blamed, and I'm sure that's part of it. Earlier closing hours have been put forward as a solution, yet in the UK when I arrived there there were earlier closing hours than there are here and it didn't help. People drank earlier and drank quickly to get there fill in before 11pm-midnight. Here in Oz we currently go out later, but then drink quickly to get our fill in before the 3am closing time.

What do you guys think would be a good solution? And has anyone had any experiences with violence etc inside or outside clubs and pubs? It's such a stupid thing to do to someone when their life can change in a matter of seconds.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Spills out into our area quite a bit, annoyingly. It's certainly a problem here and there've been more and more bashings (especially sorta-racially motivated) in recent times. Certainly not too safe to walk around, though I'd imagine it's better and worse in other areas.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
The drinking culture is this country is unbelievable. I really believe it has gotten so much worse in such a short amount of time that it's ridiculous. It is without a doubt leading to more deaths on our roads, more needless violence and just people stuffing up their lives in general. Our culture is one that has generally embraced drinking. A lot of Australian tales of myth involve grog in some way (David Boon's 52 cans on a flight record etc). I think it may have gone a bit too far though...I wouldn't suggest making the drinking age higher or anything...But I would try something to try and deglamourise drinking.

It seems it is young people who are the worst at it though. I rarely drink. But all my mates are out nearly every Friday night getting smashed. And I know that on numerous occasions they've been thrown out of the pub for fighting or being too pissed. Dunno if anyone has been to the Mean Fiddler, that's where I generally go, but it's just been named as the pub in NSW with the most assaults.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
No. 1 is getting security guards that don't want to start fights.

No. 2. is legalising a certain drug that currently isn't legal. The times I spent in Amsterdam I didn't feel unsafe and there certainly weren't alcohol fueled fights.

No. 3. is having regular 24 hour public transport on a Friday and Saturday night. The amount of fights that occur on train platforms and taxi ranks is disgusting.

Most of the fights in Brisbane are started by security guards, with their obnoxious attitude.
 

Son Of Coco

Hall of Fame Member
No. 1 is getting security guards that don't want to start fights.

No. 2. is legalising a certain drug that currently isn't legal. The times I spent in Amsterdam I didn't feel unsafe and there certainly weren't alcohol fueled fights.

No. 3. is having regular 24 hour public transport on a Friday and Saturday night. The amount of fights that occur on train platforms and taxi ranks is disgusting.

Most of the fights in Brisbane are started by security guards, with their obnoxious attitude.
None of the fights in the segment on 60 minutes involved security guards though, it was just random violence between patrons out on the streets. I know bouncers can be pretty ordinary, 5-10 years back a lot of the fights started at The Balcony nightclub in Cooolangatta were initiated by the bouncers. It doesn't happen as much there now, as it's been cleaned up. It's become worse as far as street violence and random thuggery is concerned though.

I'm not sure marijuana being illegal is part of the problem.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
haha, given some of my mates who smoked it ended up going to sleep and being generally useless for a good few hours you might be right!
Last thing you're going to do is start a fight when you're stoned. You're only worried about one thing - where to get munchies.
 

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
It's strange. Im out most nights, and i know that violence exists at pubs etc, but I've never really witnessed many fights at all firsthand. Any the ones I have were simple scuffles between pewtch drunk idiots.
 

Son Of Coco

Hall of Fame Member
It's strange. Im out most nights, and i know that violence exists at pubs etc, but I've never really witnessed many fights at all firsthand. Any the ones I have were simple scuffles between pewtch drunk idiots.
I haven't seen many either...certainly not at the level I saw on 60 minutes. The occasional scuffle across the room, blokes falling about and that sort of thing has been it. My last fight was in grade 3...it was a 3 round draw. Never been involved in a fight on a night out *touch wood*
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Me neither, though I've only been going out for 5-and-a-bit years, and the fighting "culture" in this city, though unquestionably very much around, is nowhere near so bad as in many cities around this country (and Aus, so it seems).

Don't intend to myself, though, it's just a braindead thing to do. About the only thing I ever agreed with Ian Chappell on was when he said "fighting only ends you up in hospital or behind bars". Whenever anything does kick-off, I just make it my business to, as I usually say to my friends, *** off outta there. Only time I'd ever be involved would be, obviously, if one of my assembled company was started on.
 

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
I haven't seen many either...certainly not at the level I saw on 60 minutes. The occasional scuffle across the room, blokes falling about and that sort of thing has been it. My last fight was in grade 3...it was a 3 round draw. Never been involved in a fight on a night out *touch wood*
That's why all these stories semi-suprise me. I don't want to jynx myself, but I've never seen or been involved in a bad fight and most guys in pubs are generally quite nice.
 

Top_Cat

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Ah, this old thing. Media beat-up, Australians are drinking less now than 20 years ago with violent crime, etc. following this trend;

http://www.ndri.curtin.edu.au/pdfs/naip/naipaaifullreport.pdf

Reliable info on this topic isn't easy to find but reports like the one above by the National Drug Research Institute are decent. The report is a good 7 years old now but it remains one of the more reliable ones. Even the AIC's latest (March 5) report shows that whilst there were large increases in assault reporting from 1996-2000 (changes in reporting criteria have also strongly influenced those numbers), since 2001 the figures have basically increased with general population increases (so, no net increase as both Australia's population and assault data have increased by around 12%) with the usual seasonal variation and, on a few occasions, there were decreases year-to-year. The large increase reported by the media is fiction.

Anecdotally, I'm out frequently seeing bands, gigging with my band, etc. and the last fight I saw was years ago.
 

DCC_legend

International Regular
There's very rarely fights over here and TBH, most of them are between girls. Have heard of the odd fight between guys but I'm pretty sure the fighting culture over here isn't needed because we don't have any ****ing ****s that decided they wanted to get riled up on there cheap double vodka and red bulls and beat the living daylight out of some smaller guy. Like seriously, what is the ****ing point?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Macho-ism. Some cretinous dickheads get a kick (no, Tim Whelan, not like that) out of doing such a thing.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
What do you guys think would be a good solution? And has anyone had any experiences with violence etc inside or outside clubs and pubs? It's such a stupid thing to do to someone when their life can change in a matter of seconds.
Ive been involved with many situations such as described. Im a big old unit, that drunk little guys like to have a go at for their machismo, that has a bit of a hero complex when drunk and doesnt like to back down from idiots. Especially when younger Ive found myself on many occasions knee deep on my lonesome confronted by a group of guys.

Ive my own beliefs why this stuff happen and why it is more prevelant now than before (if that is true). But Ill keep them to myself for the moment,

Without a doubt these things can happen quickly and change lives. Ive seen some terrible things that thankfully Ive not been a victim of nor have I inflicted on others.

As Im getting older, I can reflect that its a freaking mess.
 

Simon

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I've noticed it's been getting worse here in Canberra in recent years, a few months ago all the taxi drivers went on strike on Saturday night after one of them was bashed the night before, boy did that cause some problems! I've found you have to be smart, some places have reputations for violence so you simply just avoid them so you don't get caught up in it.

When you have young men with huge ego's fuelled up on alcohol there will be some problems, I remember two or three years ago going out in Cronulla and all the Canterbury Bulldogs players were out there and the ammount of guys trying to stir up Willie Masonand Matt Utai in particular was amazing, these types of guys are just asking for trouble...
 

Burgey

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Not selling those pre-mixed lolly water drinks that taste like lemonade or fanta but pack a punch bigger than a beer might help. They're usually drunk by young people who otherwise might not drink etoh to the same extent if it's beer or liquor which isn't as sweet-tasting.
Overall though, it's maybe just that more people are dickheads these days than they used to be.
 

headhunter

International Vice-Captain
There's very rarely fights over here and TBH, most of them are between girls. Have heard of the odd fight between guys but I'm pretty sure the fighting culture over here isn't needed because we don't have any ****ing ****s that decided they wanted to get riled up on there cheap double vodka and red bulls and beat the living daylight out of some smaller guy. Like seriously, what is the ****ing point?
The north is now safer than the south it would seem.
 

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