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    Going to open this back up again, because I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts. Should a word like pak-i be added to the filter if it is only deemed offensive in one country out of the many that post on this site? If I recall correctly, a Pakistani poster was perplexed as to why it was initially filtered, having never even come across the fact it could be offensive.

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    Why not just force the forum to auto-replace every instance of pak i with Pakistani? I'm pretty sure its the easiest thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
    Going to open this back up again, because I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts. Should a word like pak-i be added to the filter if it is only deemed offensive in one country out of the many that post on this site? If I recall correctly, a Pakistani poster was perplexed as to why it was initially filtered, having never even come across the fact it could be offensive.

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    Yeah, that was Xuhaib here.

    Put it this way - doesn't do any harm to anyone anywhere to have an unoffensive word filtered; does do plenty of harm to have an offensive one unfiltered. I guarantee you, anyone familiar with UK culture will prefer not to see the term used; anyone not familiar will be a little perplexed, briefly, have the matter explained, and move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    Why not just force the forum to auto-replace every instance of pak i with Pakistani? I'm pretty sure its the easiest thing to do.
    That's a fine option, if workable with the vBulletin software, IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
    Going to open this back up again, because I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts. Should a word like pak-i be added to the filter if it is only deemed offensive in one country out of the many that post on this site? If I recall correctly, a Pakistani poster was perplexed as to why it was initially filtered, having never even come across the fact it could be offensive.

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    I kinda flip flop on the idea, tbh.

    Was stunned it's not considered offensive elsewhere initially, because it's really like the n-word over here. No word of a lie, it'd be less of a social faux pas to call the vicar a c-word than to use it. However I have seen non-UK readers on here who don't appear to have a racist bone in their bodies innocently use it, so maybe it could be allowed under close supervision from mods? Only slight concern is the occasional Indo-Pakistani flame wars that we aren't immune to, sadly.

    I guess the nearest analogous word would be the diminutive of aboriginal, which (I understand) is very offensive in Oz, but wouldn't make anyone miss a beat here. Is that filtered?
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    Actually, Naumaan, who claims to be Pakistani, also found the use of the word 'pakis' offensive as well....

    So, yes, if we could have it automatically substituted with 'pakistani', that would be better.

    Also, the person who used the word 'pakis' recently claims to reside in the UK, so he/she would be familiar with the negative connotations associated with the word....

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    Replacement is better imo because otherwise we might get ****stan or *****tan instead of pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Put it this way - doesn't do any harm to anyone anywhere to have an unoffensive word filtered; does do plenty of harm to have an offensive one unfiltered. I guarantee you, anyone familiar with UK culture will prefer not to see the term used; anyone not familiar will be a little perplexed, briefly, have the matter explained, and move on.
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    What's wrong with the short form of Pakistani? I don't see how that is offensive at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester1288 View Post
    What's wrong with the short form of Pakistani? I don't see how that is offensive at all.
    It's used as a slur toward Pakistani people in England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester1288 View Post
    What's wrong with the short form of Pakistani? I don't see how that is offensive at all.
    Because, like the n-word, it's used in a derogatory and insulting way in the UK....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester1288 View Post
    What's wrong with the short form of Pakistani? I don't see how that is offensive at all.
    Without wanting to be a cock, in the UK it's offensive because it's offensive. No word is intrinsically offensive, they become so through useage and intent. Up here it's used by bone-headed dullards as an ethnic slur to abuse anyone from the sub-continent and even Arabs, Greeks and Turks.

    As I said, up here the first three letters of "aboriginal" isn't considered a slur, but is down under, apparently. The "why" isn't really the issue, more the fact that it is, surely?

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    I don't see why people shouldn't just type, Pakistan or Pakistani.

    I mean if Australians can be trained to use a phone then we can train them to use more than five letters in a word surely?

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    I can see both sides of the coin. Richard is right is that in general it does not harm anyone to have a word they don't find offensive filtered. But then again, I'd be a bit miffed if 'Brit' was filtered.

    What I would say is that if someone was to use with offensive intent, then it would probably be clear what they were saying whether it was filtered or not, and as such perhaps it being unfiltered but carefully moderated is the best approach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    doesn't do any harm to anyone anywhere to have an unoffensive word filtered
    Disagree with this strongly. Overzealous censorship diminishes my enjoyment of the forum, as it did a few years ago when anything the mod team thought remotely offensive was added to the word filter. Fortunately it has been reviewed since then, but if CW ever went back to banning dozens of perfectly legitimate words I probably wouldn't hang around for long.

    The above isn't a comment on the word in question here, just an argument that Richard's statement doesn't hold true. At the least I think there should be a clear and consistent rationale for adding new words to the filter (such as the word having little or no legitimate non-pejorative use, which might be the case here).
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