Pick An All Time XI Comp.

archie mac · 03-09-2007, 06:24 PM

Below is the first part of an article George Roberts and I have put together, about choosing an all time XI. We will publish the whole article in a few days.

We would like you to try and guess the makeup of the all time XI that we have come up with. It is no easy task, but in true Cricket Web tradition we have pulled out all stops and have a grand prize of a Cricket Web t-shirt, which we will send to the lucky winner.

By reading the below you will see that Bradman is an automatic selection, so that leaves another ten, but you must choose two players from each era, no more no less.

The only condition is that no Cricket Web Staff Member is allowed to enter.

Read the article

SJS · 03-09-2007, 06:37 PM

Q1. Ifa player has played in two eras which one do you consider him for ? Or is it the one in which he made his debut ?

archie mac · 03-09-2007, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJS

Q1. Ifa player has played in two eras which one do you consider him for ? Or is it the one in which he made his debut ?

We tried to rate them in relation to which era we felt they had the greatest impact on.

If their is a player you are not sure about which era they are being consider from, just post them here and I will let you know.

And if anyone chooses a player in their final XI from the wrong era I will let them know and they can re-select

Remember this is an all time XI so asking about someone like Mead who played in two eras would be a waste of effort (though I will be happy to answer)

SJS · 03-09-2007, 06:51 PM

Q2. By when does one have to make the guess?
Q3. Are you going to post further parts of this 'article' before one makes the guess ?

Matt79 · 03-09-2007, 06:52 PM

Nice idea.

My guesses would be:
Era One:
WG Grace
SF Barnes

Era Two:
Jack Hobbs
Wally Hammond

Era Three:
Garry Sobers
Ray Lindwall

Era Four:
Malcolm Marshall
Alan Knott

Era Five:
Muralitharan
Sachin Tendulkar

Giving a team:
WG Grace
Jack Hobbs
Don Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Wally Hammond
Garry Sobers
Alan Knott+
Ray Lindwall
Malcolm Marshall
Muttiah Muralitharan
SF Barnes

I'm quite sure I haven't got it - with Archie involved in the selection in particular, there are so many golden age players I'm sure I've overlooked in going for the obvious Grace and Barnes. Sobers is the only selection I'm really sure of.

My XI using this criteria would be:
Era 1: Trumper, Barnes
Era 2: Hobbs, Hammond
Era 3: Miller, Sobers
Era 4: Marshall, Lillee,
Era 5: Warne, Gilchrist

Giving me:
Trumper
Hobbs
Bradman
Hammond
Sobers
Miller
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Lillee
Barnes

Can't believe Imran isn't in there. This is hard!

archie mac · 03-09-2007, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt79

Nice idea.

My guesses would be:
Era One:
WG Grace
SF Barnes

Era Two:
Jack Hobbs
Wally Hammond

Era Three:
Garry Sobers
Ray Lindwall

Era Four:
Malcolm Marshall
Alan Knott

Era Five:
Muralitharan
Sachin Tendulkar

Giving a team:
WG Grace
Jack Hobbs
Don Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Wally Hammond
Garry Sobers
Alan Knott+
Ray Lindwall
Malcolm Marshall
Muttiah Muralitharan
SF Barnes

I'm quite sure I haven't got it - with Archie involved in the selection in particular, there are so many golden age players I'm sure I've overlooked in going for the obvious Grace and Barnes. Sobers is the only selection I'm really sure of.

My XI using this criteria would be:
Era 1: Trumper, Barnes
Era 2: Hobbs, Hammond
Era 3: Miller, Sobers
Era 4: Marshall, Lillee,
Era 5: Warne, Gilchrist

Giving me:
Trumper
Hobbs
Bradman
Hammond
Sobers
Miller
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Lillee
Barnes

Can't believe Imran isn't in there. This is hard!

You have all of your choices from the correct eras

(can't say anymore than that

)

archie mac · 03-09-2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJS

Q2. By when does one have to make the guess?
Q3. Are you going to post further parts of this 'article' before one makes the guess ?

A2= We will publish it on cricket web on Saturday night Australian time

A3= no that is all the help we were planning on giving

nightprowler10 · 03-09-2007, 08:52 PM

This is much tougher than I thought it would be.

Era I:

Ranji
Barnes

Era II:

Hobbs
O'Reilly

Era III:

Sobers
Tallon

Era IV:

Gavaskar
Lillee

Era V:

Tendulkar
McGrath

All Time XI:

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Tendulkar
Ranji
Sobers
Tallon
O'Reilly
SF Barnes
Lillee
McGrath

Certainly not what I think it should be, just what I feel it will be close to.

SJS · 03-09-2007, 09:12 PM

I cant locate a criteria for eligibility like minimum runs/wickets/matches. Is it not required or did I miss it ?

SJS · 03-09-2007, 09:56 PM

Is it one or two spinners (over and above the all rounder) ?

archie mac · 03-09-2007, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightprowler10

This is much tougher than I thought it would be.

Era I:

Ranji
Barnes

Era II:

Hobbs
O'Reilly

Era III:

Sobers
Tallon

Era IV:

Gavaskar
Lillee

Era V:

Tendulkar
McGrath

All Time XI:

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Tendulkar
Ranji
Sobers
Tallon
O'Reilly
SF Barnes
Lillee
McGrath

Certainly not what I think it should be, just what I feel it will be close to.

You have all of your choices from the correct eras

(can't say anymore than that

)

archie mac · 03-09-2007, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJS

I cant locate a criteria for eligibility like minimum runs/wickets/matches. Is it not required or did I miss it ?

There was no criteria as such, but all batsman have scored at least 1000 runs and all bowlers have taken at least one hundred wickets

archie mac · 03-09-2007, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJS

Is it one or two spinners (over and above the all rounder) ?

This is a hard question because from the first era it is hard to know what style they bowled

If you ignore the first era, then you can say there is only one spinner in the final XI

SJS · 03-09-2007, 11:00 PM

This is a really good one and tough

I made my own shortlist and here is how I went about doing it.

I think besides Bradman three players who are a must for any all time side are

- Sobers for the all round slot,
- Hobbs for one of the two openers slot and
- Barnes for one of the pacers (medium, medium fast, fast medium, fast, super fast or somethingsqueezed between these) slots.

That also means we have one each from Era 1 (Barnes), era 2 (Hobbs) and era 3 (Sobers)

My shortlist for the rest of the spots with eras in brackets is

ONE OPENER FROM

- Trumper (Era 1)
- Sutcliffe (Era 2)
- Hutton (Era 3)
- Gavaskar (Era 4)

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]*Since declared inelligible[/COLOR]

TWO MIDDLE ORDER BATSMEN FROM

- Hammond/Headley (Era 2)
- Pollock (Era 3)
- Viv Richards (Era 4)
- SRT or BCL (Era 5)

ONE KEEPER FROM

- Blackham (Era 1)
- Oldfield (Era 2)
- Tallon or Evans (Era 3)

ONE SPINNER FROM

- Grimmett OR O'rielly (Era 2)
- Laker (Era 3)
- Warne OR Murali (Era 5)

TWO PACERS FROM

- Lindwall (Era 3)
- Lillee (Era 4)
- Hadlee (Era 4)
- Imran (Era 4)
- Marshall (Era 4)

This may not include some of other folks absolute favourites but remember it is my, final, short- list.

Now starts the tougher part. Its tough because there are so many contenders from each era.

ERA....CERT......NEED.......SHORTLIST
1.............1.............1...................3
2.............1.............1...................4
3.............1.............1...................5
4.............0.............2...................5
5.............0.............2...................2

AHA ! I have a perfect match for Era 5. I have two positions available and two in my shortlist. I dont think both Tendulkar and Lara or both Warne and Murali will make the final XI.

So I pen in my one middle order batsman (or a choice) and a choice of spinner and the Era 5 is closed.

I now have

1. Hobbs...............Era 2
2. ----------
3, Bradman
4. Tendulkar/Lara...Era 5
5. -----------
6. Sobers..............Era 3
7. ---------- (Keeper)
8. -----------(Pacer)
9. -----------(Pacer)
10. Warne/Murali.....Era 5
11. Barnes .............Era 1

My balance sheet reads :-

ERA....CERT......NEED.......SHORTLIST...Open....MO B....Keeper....Spin....Pace
1.............1.............1...................3 ...............1...........0..........1........... .0...........0
2.............1.............1...................4 ...............1...........1..........1........... .1...........0
3.............1.............1...................5 ...............1...........1..........1........... .1...........1
4.............0.............2...................5 ...............0...........1..........0........... .0...........4

The next era with a better fit between need and availabilty is Era 1. Since I need another player from Era 1. I have to decide whether it would be an opener, Keeper or fast bowler. Opener is my favoured choice but it may come down to a balancing act.

HELP !!

PS : With the clarification from Archie_Mac we knock off Trumper, Spofforth and Barry Richards.

SJS · 03-09-2007, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archie mac

There was no criteria as such, but all batsman have scored at least 1000 runs and all bowlers have taken at least one hundred wickets

in test matches ??

03-09-2007, 06:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
archie mac Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: canberra Australia Posts: 10,668	Pick An All Time XI Comp. Below is the first part of an article George Roberts and I have put together, about choosing an all time XI. We will publish the whole article in a few days. We would like you to try and guess the makeup of the all time XI that we have come up with. It is no easy task, but in true Cricket Web tradition we have pulled out all stops and have a grand prize of a Cricket Web t-shirt, which we will send to the lucky winner. By reading the below you will see that Bradman is an automatic selection, so that leaves another ten, but you must choose two players from each era, no more no less. The only condition is that no Cricket Web Staff Member is allowed to enter. Read the article __________________ You know it makes sense. Last edited by James; 03-09-2007 at 10:57 PM.

03-09-2007, 08:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
nightprowler10 Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Madhouse on Madison Posts: 13,389	This is much tougher than I thought it would be. Era I: Ranji Barnes Era II: Hobbs O'Reilly Era III: Sobers Tallon Era IV: Gavaskar Lillee Era V: Tendulkar McGrath All Time XI: Hobbs Gavaskar Bradman Tendulkar Ranji Sobers Tallon O'Reilly SF Barnes Lillee McGrath Certainly not what I think it should be, just what I feel it will be close to. __________________ Can't decide on a signature? Why not Zoidberg? (\/) (;,,;) (\/) RIP Craigos

03-09-2007, 11:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
SJS Hall of Fame Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mumbai India Posts: 19,170	This is a really good one and tough I made my own shortlist and here is how I went about doing it. I think besides Bradman three players who are a must for any all time side are - Sobers for the all round slot, - Hobbs for one of the two openers slot and - Barnes for one of the pacers (medium, medium fast, fast medium, fast, super fast or somethingsqueezed between these) slots. That also means we have one each from Era 1 (Barnes), era 2 (Hobbs) and era 3 (Sobers) My shortlist for the rest of the spots with eras in brackets is ONE OPENER FROM - Trumper (Era 1) - Sutcliffe (Era 2) - Hutton (Era 3) - Gavaskar (Era 4) [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Since declared inelligible[/COLOR] TWO MIDDLE ORDER BATSMEN FROM* - Hammond/Headley (Era 2) - Pollock (Era 3) - Viv Richards (Era 4) - SRT or BCL (Era 5) ONE KEEPER FROM - Blackham (Era 1) - Oldfield (Era 2) - Tallon or Evans (Era 3) ONE SPINNER FROM - Grimmett OR O'rielly (Era 2) - Laker (Era 3) - Warne OR Murali (Era 5) TWO PACERS FROM - Lindwall (Era 3) - Lillee (Era 4) - Hadlee (Era 4) - Imran (Era 4) - Marshall (Era 4) This may not include some of other folks absolute favourites but remember it is my, final, short- list. Now starts the tougher part. Its tough because there are so many contenders from each era. ERA....CERT......NEED.......SHORTLIST 1.............1.............1...................3 2.............1.............1...................4 3.............1.............1...................5 4.............0.............2...................5 5.............0.............2...................2 AHA ! I have a perfect match for Era 5. I have two positions available and two in my shortlist. I dont think both Tendulkar and Lara or both Warne and Murali will make the final XI. So I pen in my one middle order batsman (or a choice) and a choice of spinner and the Era 5 is closed. I now have 1. Hobbs...............Era 2 2. ---------- 3, Bradman 4. Tendulkar/Lara...Era 5 5. ----------- 6. Sobers..............Era 3 7. ---------- (Keeper) 8. -----------(Pacer) 9. -----------(Pacer) 10. Warne/Murali.....Era 5 11. Barnes .............Era 1 My balance sheet reads :- ERA....CERT......NEED.......SHORTLIST...Open....MO B....Keeper....Spin....Pace 1.............1.............1...................3 ...............1...........0..........1........... .0...........0 2.............1.............1...................4 ...............1...........1..........1........... .1...........0 3.............1.............1...................5 ...............1...........1..........1........... .1...........1 4.............0.............2...................5 ...............0...........1..........0........... .0...........4 The next era with a better fit between need and availabilty is Era 1. Since I need another player from Era 1. I have to decide whether it would be an opener, Keeper or fast bowler. Opener is my favoured choice but it may come down to a balancing act. HELP !! PS : With the clarification from Archie_Mac we knock off Trumper, Spofforth and Barry Richards. Last edited by SJS; 03-09-2007 at 11:16 PM.

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03-09-2007, 06:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
SJS Hall of Fame Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mumbai India Posts: 19,170	Q1. Ifa player has played in two eras which one do you consider him for ? Or is it the one in which he made his debut ?

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SJS Hall of Fame Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mumbai India Posts: 19,170	I cant locate a criteria for eligibility like minimum runs/wickets/matches. Is it not required or did I miss it ?

03-09-2007, 09:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
SJS Hall of Fame Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mumbai India Posts: 19,170	Is it one or two spinners (over and above the all rounder) ?

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