Is Steyn as deadly as Lillee?

Is Dale Steyn getting the recognition he deserves?
Right now, aged 27, Steyn is just as deadly as Lillee ever was. What remains for him to prove is that he can be just as dogged.
Please Share your thoughts

Regards
Muhammad Adeel Sabih

Leg Cutter said:

Is Dale Steyn getting the recognition he deserves?
Right now, aged 27, Steyn is just as deadly as Lillee ever was. What remains for him to prove is that he can be just as dogged.
Please Share your thoughts

Regards
Muhammad Adeel Sabih

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Welcome to the forum Adeel. I hope you find this forum to your liking. I think you may find the answer to your question from some of the other posters in this thread.

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/48989-too-early-declare-dale-steyn-all-time-great.html

Thank You "smalishah84" for your welcome
Actually I'm totally new on this Forum..Thanks for your assistance mate...

Leg Cutter said:

Thank You "smalishah84" for your welcome
Actually I'm totally new on this Forum..Thanks for your assistance mate...

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You are most welcome

Wow, much more polite in here than the other Steyn thread. Should do this more often.

Welcome to the forums.

As for the question, I genuinely think Steyn is. Leaving aside for now how quick he is or how he moves the ball, Steyn's trump card is that he is clearly the best bowler in the world by miles, for at least three years, which is not something Lillee can be said to have achieved.

Lillee was number one for three years - 75,76 and 77

Not very hard though for Steyn to be the best, the rest are pretty average. Lillee has an amazing amount of world class bowlers as opposition.

robelinda said:

Not very hard though for Steyn to be the best, the rest are pretty average. Lillee has an amazing amount of world class bowlers as opposition.

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Well, Lillee also has a very lop sided bowling record.

It is all well and good to ignore the diversity within a career for players who never got the opportunity to play in different conditions, but Lillee did not play in that era and performed horribly in the limited amount of times he did play outside his comfort zone.

The 'fear' of fast bowling doesn't exist as much anymore. You mistime a shot back then, and you could die, so batsmen are more aggressive and try to get on top of bowlers much more now (not even taking into account the pitches and the new bats).

So yes, to do so well in this era definitely puts him up there if he can keep it up.

Hit Wicket said:

Well, Lillee also has a very lop sided bowling record.

It is all well and good to ignore the diversity within a career for players who never got the opportunity to play in different conditions, but Lillee did not play in that era and performed horribly in the limited amount of times he did play outside his comfort zone.

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Like where? Three tests in Pakistan and one in SL as an old man? Yeah, dud.

Burgey said:

Like where? Three tests in Pakistan and one in SL as an old man? Yeah, dud.

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There is no point going there Burg. Save your breath. I'm no huge Lillee fan, but that one is one internet argument that is well and truly beat to death.

Hit Wicket said:

Well, Lillee also has a very lop sided bowling record.

It is all well and good to ignore the diversity within a career for players who never got the opportunity to play in different conditions, but Lillee did not play in that era and performed horribly in the limited amount of times he did play outside his comfort zone.

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Absolute ****e.

How many of the newly registered Lillee baiters on this thread are Bubender Singe (or whatever is was) multis?

Burgey said:

Like where? Three tests in Pakistan and one in SL as an old man? Yeah, dud.

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robelinda said:

There is no point going there Burg. Save your breath. I'm no huge Lillee fan, but that one is one internet argument that is well and truly beat to death.

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I am no Lillee hater. In fact, there is no doubt that he was one of the greatest bowlers of all time. There is hardly a batsman or commentator from his time who has less than awesome descriptions of him. I've been able to follow only the latter half of his career due to my age, unfortunately.

I was merely countering the point that Lillee is somehow better just because Steyn does not have as much competition in the fast bowling stakes as Lillee did. It's not completely Lillee's fault that he did not play and perform in as many varied conditions as Steyn has, but then it is not Steyn's fault at all that there is little competition to him.

If anything Steyn has been bowling on the best pitches for batting seen in decades.

At this rate, he may well be the greatest bowler of all time. With all the hoopla about Kallis being underrated...Steyn just isn't talked up near enough.

Hasn't produced the goods against the best side of his era. Minnow basher.

GingerFurball said:

Hasn't produced the goods against the best side of his era. Minnow basher.

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Too bad Lillee didn't even hang around to find out which was the best side of his era - sold his soul to Packer.

Howe_zat said:

Wow, much more polite in here than the other Steyn thread. Should do this more often.

Welcome to the forums.

As for the question, I genuinely think Steyn is. Leaving aside for now how quick he is or how he moves the ball, Steyn's trump card is that he is clearly the best bowler in the world by miles, for at least three years, which is not something Lillee can be said to have achieved.

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I'm not sure that could be viewed as a trump card, given that clearly there were more good fast bowlers around in Lillee's era than Steyn's.

Not to mention, reckon the flat pitches argument is being way over-played. Last 5 years we've seen some pretty spicy decks.

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Too bad Lillee didn't even hang around to find out which was the best side of his era - sold his soul to Packer.

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His was the best side of that era. Although they had just had a close series at home to a very ordinary Pakistan side tbh.

And he was one of the reasons, if not the primary one, that they were the best side of the era. He was the best fast bowler of the mid-late 70s tbf, though as you say he left for WSC