Team Tornado

[GingerFurball]

Originally Posted by Cevno

We were comparing Andre Adams and Mitchell Johnson here in case you did not notice.

And btw,India is the no.1 test team FWIW and have some pretty good batsman coming up.

Since Johnson made his debut only Steyn has taken more wickets and only Steyn, Anderson and Swann have taken their wickets cheaper than Johnson (Zaheer Khan is the only other bowler in that time to have taken 100+ Test wickets at less than 30.)

That is obviously going to weigh much more heavily than someone like Adams taking cheap county wickets, because Johnson has performed well at the highest level.

[centurymaker]

Originally Posted by Cevno

Kohli in this draft gets a bit of disadvantage as he has been playing ODI cricket with the country and so has not been able to play more of FC cricket.

So because ODI's don't count ,he has basically not played any cricket relevant to this for that period.

In terms of potential though and performance in international cricket, Kohli has done more than any young English Batsman i can think of.
And Badrinath,Mukund,Rahan,Vijay,pUJARA etc.. have done well on overseas India a tours too. Though not sure how that is taken into account.

How many teams are there in indian domestic circuit? like 25
How many are there in aus? 6
Standard of cricket is far lower in indian domestic circuit because the quality players are spread out over the 30 teams. Dilution of talent.
Even if there were 2 times more quality players in india than there were in aus, 4 times more teams in india would ensure that the quality of cricket was still lower.

[Spark]

Probably batting high at 7 though.

[centurymaker]

Reliance ICC Player Rankings
he's still among the top bowlers in the rankings. well clear of the pack.

[Cevno]

Originally Posted by centurymaker

How many teams are there in indian domestic circuit? like 25
How many are there in aus? 6
Standard of cricket is far lower in indian domestic circuit because the quality players are spread out over the 30 teams. Dilution of talent.
Even if there were 2 times more quality players in india than there were in aus, 4 times more teams in india would ensure that the quality of cricket was still lower.

Indian domestic circuit is divided into two divisions of the top 14 teams and 12 teams respectively.

The standard in the super league is higher than the plate league like county cricket.

Then further the super league is divided in to 2 groups of 7 each.

And this is not the only domestic FC cricket the Indian players play .

There is also the Duleep trophy in which top players are divided into zones of 5 teams each,which are less number of teams than the Aussie Sheffield shield Fyi.

Plus then there is also the Irani trophy where The Ranji Trophy Champions play the Rest of India.

So i am not sure where you are coming to your conclusions from.
Yes there is dilution of talent but not to the extent you seem to think.

Plus not forget India A matches count as FC matches too and so do Rest of India and Board 11 matches which best Indian players play a lot,including foreign tours.

Badrinath average more than 200 in 11 matches including foreign tours with India A,IIRC.
Pujara Averaged 110 in England last year with India A. Mukund and Rahane near 60.

Plus since we are discussing Kohli ,he has proven himself in international cricket (though ODI cricket does not count here) more than any upcoming AUS or ENG batsman have.

Though that does not mean that you should pick him in your team here as it is a different competition.

[Cevno]

Originally Posted by centurymaker

Reliance ICC Player Rankings
he's still among the top bowlers in the rankings. well clear of the pack.

I am not saying that he will do badly ,but that Andre Adams would do well as well.
And their CPl performances indicate that as well.

If anything i think you should be happy about it.

The difference won't be as much considering the respective rounds they got picked in.

Originally Posted by GingerFurball

Since Johnson made his debut only Steyn has taken more wickets and only Steyn, Anderson and Swann have taken their wickets cheaper than Johnson (Zaheer Khan is the only other bowler in that time to have taken 100+ Test wickets at less than 30.)

That is obviously going to weigh much more heavily than someone like Adams taking cheap county wickets, because Johnson has performed well at the highest level.

Wonder why you picked James foster and Andre Mcdonald ahead of other more established Test players then?

And also why some of the International bowlers on the wicket taker list you(as high as 10,11 ,12) mentioned have not been picked so far while bowlers like Faulkner,Butterworth etc... got picked despite not even being close to international cricket at the moment?

Obviously it is about a combination of domestic and International performances.
And remember these bowlers will be bowling to some Non international batsman as well.

[GingerFurball]

Originally Posted by Cevno

Wonder why you picked James foster and Andre Mcdonald ahead of other more established Test players then?

In Foster's case, because I waited until round 5 to draft a wicketkeeper, by which time every half decent Test keeper had gone.

In McDonald's case, because he's a gun allrounder and I wanted to get him early.

[Athlai]

Johnson > Adams

[Prince EWS]

In the CPL trials:
Adams: 1 match, 25 runs @ 12.50; 10 wickets @ 9.90
Johnson: 1 match, 4 runs @ Infinity; 7 wickets @ 26.00

In the CPL proper season so far:
Adams: 2 matches, 102 runs @ 25.50; 11 wickets @ 25.27
Johnson: 2 matches, 47 runs @ 23.50; 9 wickets @ 33.11

Small sample size but I thought I'd post it up because it was being referenced.

They'll both be good pickups IMO.

[centurymaker]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

In the CPL trials:
Adams: 1 match, 25 runs @ 12.50; 10 wickets @ 9.90
Johnson: 1 match, 4 runs @ Infinity; 7 wickets @ 26.00

In the CPL proper season so far:
Adams: 2 matches, 102 runs @ 25.50; 11 wickets @ 25.27
Johnson: 2 matches, 47 runs @ 23.50; 9 wickets @ 33.11

Small sample size but I thought I'd post it up because it was being referenced.

They'll both be good pickups IMO.

did they both play on similar sort of pitches?

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by centurymaker

did they both play on similar sort of pitches?

Yeah there's no pitch variation in CPL.

[centurymaker]

1. Andrew Strauss
2. Neil McKenzie
3. Younis Khan
4. Kevin Pieterson
5. Rohit Sharma
6. Ian Blackwell / Virat Kohli
7. Chris Read (wk)
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Sunil Joshi / Dinuka Hettiarachchi
10.Andre Adams
11. Morne Morkel

14. Joginder Sharma
15. Andrew Birch

[Flem274*]

Kohli has to play ahead of Blackwell. I own Blackwell in cricsim CPL, I have a weaker batting line up than you and Blackwell is very much my 12th man.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Flem274*

Kohli has to play ahead of Blackwell. I own Blackwell in cricsim CPL, I have a weaker batting line up than you and Blackwell is very much my 12th man.

Nah he needs Blackwell to be fifth bowler. I'd play Blackwell.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Cevno

And Badrinath,Mukund,Rahan,Vijay,pUJARA etc.. have done well on overseas India a tours too. Though not sure how that is taken into account.

A-team cricket (between two A teams that is; not on tour against random domestic teams) is judged to be the second strongest level of cricket, behind Test cricket.