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    How good was Gilchrist?

    This statement is possibly not true if reading literally. But I think we are talking about proper keepers here. Nobody is seriously considering an akmal. But the difference between a healy and a gilly in keeping quality is pretty negligable, even if you consider healy one of the best and gilly...
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    How good was Gilchrist?

    You are a fiesty one today. Diminishing returns for every skill set are a very real thing. The difference between a bat averaging 48 (who is typically regarded as atvg) and one averaging 52 (typically regarded as atg) is small. The difference between a bat averaging 32 (or whatever knott did)...
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    How good was Gilchrist?

    It isnt quantifiable, but you surely appreciate the idea of diminishing returns? People are calling Boucher a poor keeper in this thread. I really dont think he fumbled more than a catch every 2 games unless we are adding the spectacularly difficult ones that even the atgs will typically miss...
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    How good was Gilchrist?

    Diminishing returns. Hypothetically, the best keeper ever might drop a catch every 3 matches. An excellent keeper would drop one every 2 matches. At least disregarding the catches that they will both drop, which will increase depending on who they are keeping to. That 15 runs per innings adds...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    I cant justify giving Dhoni the gloves in an atg batting lineup that bats solidly down to number 9. ATG level ODI keeper, but mediocre at best in tests.
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    How good was Gilchrist?

    I dont think you are actually disagreeing with this, just making a slightly different point. Diminishing returns in keeping are very much a thing. The difference between a bad keeper and a good one is (depending on the bowlers), potentially several dismissals and a bunch of byes. The...
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    How good was Gilchrist?

    Ya, he slid from excellent to mediocre against over his last 3ish years. And I vaguely recall him not being the finished product on debut, but it is too long ago tbh. He had a period longer than Gilchrists career where I dont believe it is possible to differentiate between the two in terms of...
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    Best test bowler who average >=30

    An away average pushing 40 knocks a player out of contention for this one, even if there are other reasons to groove on him.
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    How good was Gilchrist?

    Boucher was excellent to pace, up until his last couple of years, when he was ordinary. Didn't see much of difference between him and a Healy. Its hard to tell just how bad he was against spin, cos he barely kept to anyone who turned the ball, but, at best, I am going to say very.
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    Virat Kohli vs Rahane

    I am arguing from a point of ignorance, and you probably wont be able to change my mind no matter what you say. I am everything I hate about internet debates in a nutshell, and need to be removed from this conversation. Sorry, I love a good debate, it is frustrating dealing with people like...
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    Virat Kohli vs Rahane

    I am saying he was 100% involved in the uppermost decisions, which were clearly poor. I dont know how far down he was involved- he defs isnt selecting the Rajasthan under 15a, who for all I know might be the future of Indian cricket. All I know is I dont like the decisions I know he was...
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    Virat Kohli vs Rahane

    Surely this is not true in context of player development that you are ascribing to him? He pretty much has been the selection committee from what I have read, but his reach down lower must stop somehere.
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    Virat Kohli vs Rahane

    I am debating from a point of serious ignorance here, which is not a good start, but you are saying Indian cricket had a big role in Bumrahs development, which Kohli must surely be a minor cog of? I am seeing crap selection polices, which he was intrinsic too. I am not debating the fact that...
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    Virat Kohli vs Rahane

    First i am hearing of this. But you are saying he was a very successful team india project, which is probably not the same as a kohli the test captain project. Kohli the test captain kept him out of the team when even the dumbest CW pundits knew he belonged.
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    Virat Kohli vs Rahane

    I watched Bumrah on test debut, and thought he was raw as hell, but was likely to be the best Indian quick ever once he had settled into tests. Then I saw Kohli refuse to play him all the time. There is a chance something Kohli did behind the scences that helped nurture Bumrah, but all I see...
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    Best test bowler who average >=30

    He was really good at bowling in the channel. Got beautiful shape. Was actually pretty quick before his body packed in and he started bowling club cricket medium pace. Was unlucky to come from Aus. If he had been from a country where the ball swung, he would have done a lot better for himself...
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    How good was Gilchrist?

    No. The playing at his peak comparison is somewhat comparable, but the comparison falls apart after that. Gilly averaged 50 way from home. IDK how Gilly did against the other teams you mentioned, but he averaged something like 65 in RSA, including beating us into a bloody pulp in a series...
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    Best test bowler who average >=30

    Far leftfield pick... Shane Watson. Not capable of bowling enough to actually be a serious pick, but I rate him a much better bowler than pretty everyone on this list. Bowling average of 35 is a disgrace to his talent.
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    Best test bowler who average >=30

    I always rated Srinath above Khan, and he was actually the only name in my mind before I even looked at the list, but thats largely a function of me only having watched him bowl against RSA, who he was magnificent against, with Khan being a bit of a dud (Smith notwithstanding).
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    Best test bowler who average >=30

    His name was one of the first that jumped out at me when reading the list... ticks my boxes, plus the era thing, and I would expect spinners from unfavourable home countries to dominate the best list. But even his away average is still well above 32, and he only takes 2 and a bit wickets per...

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