All Time World Cup XVs

[ohtani's jacket]

The obvious condition being that they played in a World Cup.

All Blacks

1. Graig Dowd
2. Sean Fitzpatrick (c)
3. Olo Brown
4. Ian Jones
5. Robin Brooke
6. Alan Whetton
7. Michael Jones
8. Zinzan Brooke
9. Graeme Bachop
10. Grant Fox
11. Jonah Lomu
12. Walter Little
13. Frank Bunce
14. John Kirwan
15. John Gallagher

Bench -- Steve McDowell, Kevin Mealamu, Chris Jack, Josh Kronfeld, Andrew Mehrtens, Jeff Wilson, Justin Marshall

[Fiery]

Can't argue much with that. Was going to say I would have had Carl Hayman in there ahead of Dowd until I remembered that idiot Mitchell didn't even pick him for the 2003 WC

[BoyBrumby]

Did something similar in the Rugby survey thread. My team's haven't changed all that much if at all:

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Ok, a slow sunday here chez Brumby, so thought I'd have a bash.

England XV post 1987

15) Josh Lewsey
14) Rory Underwood
13) Jeremy Guscott
12) Will Greenwood
11) Jason Robinson
10) Jonny Wilkinson
9) Dewi Morris
1) Jason Leonard
2) Brian Moore
3) Jeff Probyn
4) Martin Johnson (c)
5) Wade Dooley
6) Richard Hill
7) Peter Winterbottom
8) Lawrence Dallaglio

RotW XV post 1987

15) Serge Blanco
14) David Campese
13) Phillipe Sella
12) Tim Horan
11) Jonah Lomu
10) Michael Lynagh
9) Joost van der Westhuizen
1) Os du Randt
2) Sean Fitzpatrick (c)
3) Cobus Visagie
4) John Eales
5) Ian Jones
6) Michael Jones
7) Josh Kronfeld
8) Zinzan Brooke

It's scary the amount of world class players I had to leave out: no Bunce or either of the Littles (Jason & Walter) in the centres, no Nick Farr-Jones, no Keith Wood (who I almost included when I realised my XV had no Celts at all), no Jeff Wilson, no Christian Cullen, no Benazzi (sp?). I could go on...

I was a bit disappointed to have to include Lewsey at 15 for England, 'cos I honestly thought we must've had a better full-back since then, but when I looked at the candidates (Webb, Catt, Paul Hull, Balshaw, Jason Robinson) realised we probably hadn't!

[ripper868]

Aussie XV
1. Tony Daly
2. Micheal Foley
3. Ben Darwin
4. John Eales (c)
5. Mark Connors
6. Owen Finegan
7. Ilie Tabua
8. Toutai Kefu
9. Nick Farr-Jones
10. Stephen Larkham
11. Ben Tune
12. Tim Horan
13. Jason Little
14. Campese
15. Chris Latham

[Francis]

15) Serge Blanco
14) David Campese
13) Phillipe Sella
12) Tim Horan
11) Jonah Lomu
10) Michael Lynagh
9) Joost van der Westhuizen
1) Os du Randt
2) Sean Fitzpatrick (c)
3) Cobus Visagie
4) John Eales
5) Ian Jones
6) Michael Jones
7) Josh Kronfeld
8) Zinzan Brooke

Why Joost over Farr-Jones?

[cbuts]

Originally Posted by ohtani's jacket

The obvious condition being that they played in a World Cup.

All Blacks

1. Graig Dowd
2. Sean Fitzpatrick (c)
3. Olo Brown
4. Ian Jones
5. Robin Brooke
6. Alan Whetton
7. Michael Jones
8. Zinzan Brooke
9. Graeme Bachop
10. Grant Fox
11. Jonah Lomu
12. Walter Little
13. Frank Bunce
14. John Kirwan
15. John Gallagher

Bench -- Steve McDowell, Kevin Mealamu, Chris Jack, Josh Kronfeld, Andrew Mehrtens, Jeff Wilson, Justin Marshall

I have very similar to you, plus right wing and fullback i couldnt decide
All Blacks

1. Craig Dowd
2. Sean Fitzpatrick (c)
3. Olo Brown
4. Ian Jones
5. Robin Brooke
6. Alan Whetton
7. Michael Jones
8. Zinzan Brooke
9. Graeme Bachop
10. Grant Fox
11. Jonah Lomu
12. Walter Little
13. Frank Bunce or Tana
14. JK or Goldie
15. Christian Cullen

Bench -- Kees Mueews, Kevin Mealamu, Chris Jack, Josh Kronfeld, Bunce or Tana, JK or Glodie, Justin Marshall

[Fiery]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

15) Serge Blanco
14) David Campese
13) Phillipe Sella
12) Tim Horan
11) Jonah Lomu
10) Michael Lynagh
9) Joost van der Westhuizen
1) Os du Randt
2) Sean Fitzpatrick (c)
3) Cobus Visagie
4) John Eales
5) Ian Jones
6) Michael Jones
7) Josh Kronfeld
8) Zinzan Brooke :

Excellent choices for your back row Brumby

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by Francis

Why Joost over Farr-Jones?

Farr-Jones had the better pass, but I'd rate Joost as superior in pretty much every other department. Best sniping scrum-half I've ever seen & a far more impressive physical specimen that Farr-Jones too.

[Stefano]

Originally Posted by ohtani's jacket

The obvious condition being that they played in a World Cup.

All Blacks

1. Graig Dowd
2. Sean Fitzpatrick (c)
3. Olo Brown
4. Ian Jones
5. Robin Brooke
6. Alan Whetton
7. Michael Jones
8. Zinzan Brooke
9. Graeme Bachop
10. Grant Fox
11. Jonah Lomu
12. Walter Little
13. Frank Bunce
14. John Kirwan
15. John Gallagher

Bench -- Steve McDowell, Kevin Mealamu, Chris Jack, Josh Kronfeld, Andrew Mehrtens, Jeff Wilson, Justin Marshall

I pretty much agree! However, #13 is Joe Stanley! And Wayne "Buck" Shelford is #8.

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Aussie XI

1) Tony Daly
2) Phil Kearns
3) Ewan McKenzie
(1991 front row was awesome)

4) David Giffin
5) John Eales
6) Willie Ofahengaue
7) Matt Cockbain
8) David Wilson

9) Nick Farr-Jones (c)
10) Michael Lynagh
11) Ben Tune
12) Tim Horan
13) Jason Little
14) David Campese
15) Matt Burke

[ripper868]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Farr-Jones had the better pass, but I'd rate Joost as superior in pretty much every other department. Best sniping scrum-half I've ever seen & a far more impressive physical specimen that Farr-Jones too.

amateur times v pro times, hard to use that as a determining factor IMO

[ohtani's jacket]

Aussie World Cup XV

1. Tony Daly
2. Phil Kearns
3. Ewan McKenzie
4. David Giffin
5. John Eales
6. Willie Ofahengaue
7. Simon Poidevin
8. Toutai Kefu
9. Nick Farr-Jones
10. Michael Lynagh
11. David Campese
12. Tim Horan
13. Jason Little
14. Ben Tune
15. Matt Burke

Bench -- Tom Lawton, Andrew Blades, Steve Cutler, Owen Finegan, George Gregan, Joe Roff, Steve Larkham

[ohtani's jacket]

Springboks World Cup XV

1. JP du Randt
2. CLC Rossouw
3. Cobus Visagie
4. RJ Kruger
5. Mark Andrews
6. JF Pienaar
7. Andre Venter
8. Bobby Skinstad
9. Joost van der Westhuizen
10. Joel Stransky
11. Chester Williams
12. HP le Roux
13. JC Mulder
14. James Small
15. Andre Joubert

[cbuts]

Originally Posted by ripper868

amateur times v pro times, hard to use that as a determining factor IMO

Yea agree, think you gotta look at how they rated against their peers

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by ripper868

amateur times v pro times, hard to use that as a determining factor IMO

I see the point you're making, but actually Joost did play during the arse-end of the amateur era (he was the scrum-half for their win in 95) and he was just a naturally bigger guy than Farr-Jones. Scored a heck of a lot of tries too; I believe he's still the Boks' all-time leading scorer.

[ripper868]

Originally Posted by Stefano

I pretty much agree! However, #13 is Joe Stanley! And Wayne "Buck" Shelford is #8.

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Aussie XI

1) Tony Daly
2) Phil Kearns
3) Ewan McKenzie
(1991 front row was awesome)

4) David Giffin
5) John Eales
6) Willie Ofahengaue
7) Matt Cockbain
8) David Wilson

9) Nick Farr-Jones (c)
10) Michael Lynagh
11) Ben Tune
12) Tim Horan
13) Jason Little
14) David Campese
15) Matt Burke

Originally Posted by ohtani's jacket

Aussie World Cup XV

1. Tony Daly
2. Phil Kearns
3. Ewan McKenzie
4. David Giffin
5. John Eales
6. Willie Ofahengaue
7. Simon Poidevin
8. Toutai Kefu
9. Nick Farr-Jones
10. Michael Lynagh
11. David Campese
12. Tim Horan
13. Jason Little
14. Ben Tune
15. Matt Burke

Bench -- Tom Lawton, Andrew Blades, Steve Cutler, Owen Finegan, George Gregan, Joe Roff, Steve Larkham

Shoot me...forgot kearns and willie ofahenguae. backline looks pretty settled

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

I see the point you're making, but actually Joost did play during the arse-end of the amateur era (he was the scrum-half for their win in 95) and he was just a naturally bigger guy than Farr-Jones. Scored a heck of a lot of tries too; I believe he's still the Boks' all-time leading scorer.

Can appreciate your point of view...farr jones still better