The South Africa Thread

andmark · 04-06-2007, 12:33 AM

This thread is for discussing South Africa.

Enjoy.

Perm · 04-06-2007, 02:32 AM

Saffies to win it IMO, as long as they have Andre Pretorius at #10.

Goughy · 04-06-2007, 12:50 PM

They have a chance. Their forwards are dominating (true Dutchman rugby

). From the maul to the lineout to the scrum they will look to control the game there.

They also have special players in the likes of Spies and Habana. Spies is just a freak with size, electric pace and great feet and Habana is excellent in defence as well as being the ultimate greyhound.

My major concern with this team is the continued faith and love affair with Percy Montgomery at full-back. His lack of pace can see him exposed in defence and his propensity for kicking all the time in open play means opponents can gameplan with complete certainty of SAs strategy. Teams seldom kick to touch as the SA lineout is so strong and they know Percy will but the ball out and give the lineout to them. The words 'running counter-attack' are not something old Percy thinks of.

jot1 · 04-06-2007, 12:57 PM

On the other hand, Percy's boot is nearly as golden as old Naas' was, and he's not as afraid to tackle as Naas was. Habana is awsome at the moment. I just hope his injury doesn't slow him down.

BoyBrumby · 04-06-2007, 01:06 PM

Pack looks awesome, it must be said. Botha & Matfield are the best second row in world rugby just now & Spies and Burger are absolute beasts.

They won't win a world cup with Butch James & Januarie in the halves tho. They were playing in an armchair against us and Lund and Gomarsall were still able to put Januarie under a fair bit of pressure.

ohtani's jacket · 04-06-2007, 10:05 PM

It depends on the selectors and all the politics that come along with South African rugby. TBH, South Africa haven't shown that they're capable of winning the Cup and getting hot in a World Cup year has rarely helped in the past.

KennyD · 05-06-2007, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

They won't win a world cup with Butch James & Januarie in the halves tho. They were playing in an armchair against us and Lund and Gomarsall were still able to put Januarie under a fair bit of pressure.

Yeah. Januarie is poor, and it seems like every SA player who refers to themselves as a no.10 has had a go in the flyhalf shirt. Butch just happens to be the best tackler of the lot.

Anyway come WC, it should be Du Preez and Pretorius.

Perm · 06-06-2007, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyD

Anyway come WC, it should be Du Preez and Pretorius.

Definately, with the young guy from the Sharks whose name I can't remember, not too far behind Du Preez IMO.

Goughy · 06-06-2007, 11:37 AM

Januarie will probably play for the same reason Chilliboy can be a Springbok but struggle to gat game time for the Bulls.

Doesnt make it right but its just how it is.

Perm · 06-06-2007, 10:37 PM

Heard Chilliboy was quite good TBH, even if he is still young.

Goughy · 07-06-2007, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perm

Heard Chilliboy was quite good TBH, even if he is still young.

Chilliboy isnt bad and he is young but he cant make the Bulls side. Everyone is behind Smit as Springbok hooker but the fact he has the same number of International caps as Gary Botha is just wrong.

Pity poor JP Nel who is one of the most influencial and talented Bulls but must look around and see Chilliboy (who cant get into the team) and Hilton Lobberts (who has never played a Super 14 game) that have caps whilst he has never played for the Boks.

Perm · 07-06-2007, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goughy

Chilliboy isnt bad and he is young but he cant make the Bulls side. Everyone is behind Smit as Springbok hooker but the fact he has the same number of International caps as Gary Botha is just wrong.

Pity poor JP Nel who is one of the most influencial and talented Bulls but must look around and see Chilliboy (who cant get into the team) and Hilton Lobberts (who has never played a Super 14 game) that have caps whilst he has never played for the Boks.

Well I suppose Chilliboy is included as one of these 'transformation' players, safe in the knowledge that he'll rarely get game time because he is behind the captain.

That's just the way it goes sometimes though, with some of the talent South Africa have had in the midfield in recent years it would be very difficult for JP Nel to get into the Boks side.

Goughy · 07-06-2007, 03:32 AM

I will be disappointed if Kabamba Foors doesnt get a WC call up at some point but its a strong position and the Luke Watson drama doesnt help.

Smudge · 07-06-2007, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perm

Definately, with the young guy from the Sharks whose name I can't remember, not too far behind Du Preez IMO.

Francois Steyn.

Perm · 07-06-2007, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltman

Francois Steyn.

I meant the halfback who can occasionally play flyhalf, you sure that's him?

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04-06-2007, 12:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
jot1 State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 1,098	On the other hand, Percy's boot is nearly as golden as old Naas' was, and he's not as afraid to tackle as Naas was. Habana is awsome at the moment. I just hope his injury doesn't slow him down.

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ohtani's jacket State Vice-Captain Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,244	It depends on the selectors and all the politics that come along with South African rugby. TBH, South Africa haven't shown that they're capable of winning the Cup and getting hot in a World Cup year has rarely helped in the past.

06-06-2007, 11:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
Goughy International Coach Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: All Over Posts: 14,638	Januarie will probably play for the same reason Chilliboy can be a Springbok but struggle to gat game time for the Bulls. Doesnt make it right but its just how it is.

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Perm Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Clutha Valley, New Zealand Posts: 21,817	Heard Chilliboy was quite good TBH, even if he is still young.

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Goughy International Coach Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: All Over Posts: 14,638	I will be disappointed if Kabamba Foors doesnt get a WC call up at some point but its a strong position and the Luke Watson drama doesnt help.

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