The South Africa Thread - Page 2

Smudge · 07-06-2007, 06:45 PM

Meh, I missed the "not too far behind Du Preez IMO" bit. You're thinking of Ruan Pienaar.

Perm · 07-06-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltman

Meh, I missed the "not too far behind Du Preez IMO" bit. You're thinking of Ruan Pienaar.

That's the one mate, thanks. I reckon this guy is a bit of a gun actually, but would still have Du Preez ranked above him as a halfback.

Smudge · 07-06-2007, 06:56 PM

Yeah, lovely running halfback in a similar mould to Joost van der Westhuyzen, but still has a few chinks in his all-round game.

Perm · 07-06-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltman

Yeah, lovely running halfback in a similar mould to Joost van der Westhuyzen, but still has a few chinks in his all-round game.

No doubt about that. His running game is very good and I think he has a pretty good boot on him as well, haven't seen too much of him on defense but he doesn't strike me as a particularly poor defender. Joost is my favourite Saffie player of all time.

BoyBrumby · 23-07-2007, 12:17 PM

From The Guardian. Link.

Backs: Jean de Villiers, Fourie du Preez, Jaque Fourie, Bryan Habana, Butch James, Ricky Januarie, Percy Montgomery, Akona Ndungane, Wynand Olivier, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Andre Pretorius, Francois Steyn, Ashwin Willemse.

Forwards: Bakkies Botha, BJ Botha, Gary Botha, Schalk Burger, Os du Randt, Victor Matfield, Johann Muller, Danie Rossouw, Bob Skinstad, John Smit (capt), Juan Smith, Pierre Spies, Gurthro Steenkamp, Albert van den Berg, CJ van der Linde, Wikus van Heerden.

No Paulse & surprisingly few "formerly disadvantaged" players altogether really. From the point of view of winning Rugby matches selecting your best squad, reagrdless of hue, can only be a good thing, but it is something of a volte face from what seemed to be very definite government edicts.

Samuel_Vimes · 24-07-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Butch James

What were the parents thinking?

BoyBrumby · 30-07-2007, 03:29 PM

From the Beeb.

Massive miss for the Boks. The boy looks an absolute beast & is quick with it too.

Clots in his lungs sounds fairly serious tho, wish him a speedy recovery, obv.

Perm · 30-07-2007, 10:11 PM

Disappointing for Spies, gun player.

TT Boy · 01-08-2007, 03:23 PM

Indeed, huge blow for the Bok and Spies, who looked a top top player. It has been reported that he may never play again for the clotting is possibly hereditary- Spies father, a former Transvaal wing back died of heart attack at a relatively young age.

From SuperSport

"According to Springbok coach Jake White, the medical team have explained that blood clotting means that Spies’s blood is abnormally thick, and this leads to clotting. If it clots goes into his brain while training or playing he will have a stroke, and he would have a heart attack if it goes into his heart.

Spies became aware of the problem when he started coughing up blood after a training session in Cape Town. Scans later revealed that he had clots on both lungs."

http://www.superrugby.co.za/default....gby/springboks

TT Boy · 01-08-2007, 03:25 PM

Incidentally hooker Bismarck du Plessis replaces Spies.

BoyBrumby · 01-08-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TT Boy

Incidentally hooker Bismarck du Plessis replaces Spies.

Bizarre!

A number 8 pulls out so obviously you bring in another hooker...

Du Plessis is white, so it's not a quota-inspired pick either.

TT Boy · 01-08-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Bizarre!

A number 8 pulls out so obviously you bring in another hooker...

Du Plessis is white, so it's not a quota-inspired pick either.

Yeah there doesn't seem to be many quota's in White's squad. His actually failed to met the targets for this year but no action has been taken and hardly any criticism has come his way from the South African hierarchy.

On this point I was just watching the Currie Cup recently and was surprised to see how many of the sides were not featuring the recommended number of quota's they should be. The quota directives seem far more stressing in cricket than in rugby currently.

Perm · 02-08-2007, 01:32 AM

TBF they were probably a hooker short, with only Botha and Smith as hookers in their squad of 30 if I read that properly. Most teams nowadays seem to opt for 3 hookers.

Langeveldt · 21-08-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TT Boy

Yeah there doesn't seem to be many quota's in White's squad. His actually failed to met the targets for this year but no action has been taken and hardly any criticism has come his way from the South African hierarchy.

On this point I was just watching the Currie Cup recently and was surprised to see how many of the sides were not featuring the recommended number of quota's they should be. The quota directives seem far more stressing in cricket than in rugby currently.

Rugby is a far 'whiter' sport than cricket is, and therefore any transformation that is done with out merit is likely to be met with even greater opposition..

07-06-2007, 06:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
Smudge Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wellywood Posts: 16,551	Meh, I missed the "not too far behind Du Preez IMO" bit. You're thinking of Ruan Pienaar. __________________ What do you mean?

23-07-2007, 12:17 PM	#20 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,619	South African XXX From The Guardian. Link. Backs: Jean de Villiers, Fourie du Preez, Jaque Fourie, Bryan Habana, Butch James, Ricky Januarie, Percy Montgomery, Akona Ndungane, Wynand Olivier, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Andre Pretorius, Francois Steyn, Ashwin Willemse. Forwards: Bakkies Botha, BJ Botha, Gary Botha, Schalk Burger, Os du Randt, Victor Matfield, Johann Muller, Danie Rossouw, Bob Skinstad, John Smit (capt), Juan Smith, Pierre Spies, Gurthro Steenkamp, Albert van den Berg, CJ van der Linde, Wikus van Heerden. No Paulse & surprisingly few "formerly disadvantaged" players altogether really. From the point of view of winning Rugby matches selecting your best squad, reagrdless of hue, can only be a good thing, but it is something of a volte face from what seemed to be very definite government edicts. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

30-07-2007, 03:29 PM	#22 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,619	Spies to miss world cup From the Beeb. Massive miss for the Boks. The boy looks an absolute beast & is quick with it too. Clots in his lungs sounds fairly serious tho, wish him a speedy recovery, obv.

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07-06-2007, 06:56 PM	#18 (permalink)
Smudge Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wellywood Posts: 16,551	Yeah, lovely running halfback in a similar mould to Joost van der Westhuyzen, but still has a few chinks in his all-round game.

30-07-2007, 10:11 PM	#23 (permalink)
Perm Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Clutha Valley, New Zealand Posts: 21,817	Disappointing for Spies, gun player.

01-08-2007, 03:23 PM	#24 (permalink)
TT Boy Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: . Posts: 16,321	Indeed, huge blow for the Bok and Spies, who looked a top top player. It has been reported that he may never play again for the clotting is possibly hereditary- Spies father, a former Transvaal wing back died of heart attack at a relatively young age. From SuperSport "According to Springbok coach Jake White, the medical team have explained that blood clotting means that Spies’s blood is abnormally thick, and this leads to clotting. If it clots goes into his brain while training or playing he will have a stroke, and he would have a heart attack if it goes into his heart. Spies became aware of the problem when he started coughing up blood after a training session in Cape Town. Scans later revealed that he had clots on both lungs." http://www.superrugby.co.za/default....gby/springboks

01-08-2007, 03:25 PM	#25 (permalink)
TT Boy Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: . Posts: 16,321	Incidentally hooker Bismarck du Plessis replaces Spies.

02-08-2007, 01:32 AM	#28 (permalink)
Perm Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Clutha Valley, New Zealand Posts: 21,817	TBF they were probably a hooker short, with only Botha and Smith as hookers in their squad of 30 if I read that properly. Most teams nowadays seem to opt for 3 hookers.

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