The New Zealand Thread - Page 5

pasag · 21-07-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Perm

You've proven yourself to be too much of an ignorant tool to see that Thorne is a good player. People like you are the reason I hate the NZ rugby public.

Ignore.

Perm, how many more times do you have to be warned about these types of posts? You really should know better.

cbuts · 21-07-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Perm

You've proven yourself to be too much of an ignorant tool to see that Thorne is a good player. People like you are the reason I hate the NZ rugby public.

Ignore.

Tell me what Rueben Thorne does that is so good?
People say he is a good tackler - so are you saying Jerry Collins, Troy Flavell cant tackle?

Everything Throne can do Collins, Flavell, Lauaki, Messam, Blackie can do better

Perm · 21-07-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cbuts

Tell me what Rueben Thorne does that is so good?
People say he is a good tackler - so are you saying Jerry Collins, Troy Flavell cant tackle?

Everything Throne can do Collins, Flavell, Lauaki, Messam, Blackie can do better

Reuben Thorne constantly does the hard work in order for others to benefit, he makes a lot more tackles than an average forward and also cleans out rucks more than almost anything other forward will do during a game. He is a limited option and isn't likely to make a bust through centre field and offload in the tackle so somebody can score a try, but he balances that out with the hard work he puts in, allowing the other forwards to carry the ball more often. Ask any of the players who have played for Canterbury (Marshall, McCaw, Merhtens) and they will tell you how much easier that Thorne makes their job.

Perm · 21-07-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pasag

Perm, how many more times do you have to be warned about these types of posts? You really should know better.

I'm of the opinion that Fiery is ignorant, and I state my opinion.

Perm · 21-07-2007, 09:53 PM

All Blacks World Cup Squad

Richie McCaw (c), Daniel Carter, Jerry Collins, Andrew Ellis, Nick Evans, Carl Hayman, Andrew Hore, Doug Howlett, Chris Jack, Byron Kelleher, Sione Lauaki, Brendon Leonard, Luke McAlister, Leon MacDonald, Chris Masoe, Aaron Mauger, Keven Mealamu, Mils Muliaina, Anton Oliver, Keith Robinson, Josevata Rokocoko, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Conrad Smith, Rodney So'oialo, Reuben Thorne, Neemia Tialata,Isaia Toeava, Ali Williams, Tony Woodcock.

One spot is still up for grabs and if Greg Somerville proves his fitness then he will be in the final 30. Piri Weepu, Rico Gear and Troy Flavell are the big omissions.

Fiery · 21-07-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Perm

Reuben Thorne constantly does the hard work in order for others to benefit, he makes a lot more tackles than an average forward and also cleans out rucks more than almost anything other forward will do during a game. He is a limited option and isn't likely to make a bust through centre field and offload in the tackle so somebody can score a try, but he balances that out with the hard work he puts in, allowing the other forwards to carry the ball more often. Ask any of the players who have played for Canterbury (Marshall, McCaw, Merhtens) and they will tell you how much easier that Thorne makes their job.

He's also been in the team and gone missing in both semi-final losing efforts at the last 2 WC's. The last one v Aus in 2003 was when he was captain and reacted like a rabbit stuck in headlights when the Aussies took the lead. He did not even speak to the players after Mortlock scored that try. He's a coaches favourite because he does as he's told.

Fiery · 21-07-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Perm

I'm of the opinion that Fiery is ignorant, and I state my opinion.

. Perhaps you can explain yourself young fella?

pasag · 21-07-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Perm

I'm of the opinion that Fiery is ignorant, and I state my opinion.

You know very well that it was the 'tool' part that was the worst of the post. Your continued winding up of Fiery is not on and just because he says something you don't agree with doesn't mean you have to launch an attack on him. And calling someone ignorant because you don't agree with them is nothing more than an ad hominem argument, to put it mildly.

@ Fiery, you shouldn't have gone back and edited the post after I warned Perm. Highly unnecessary and only continues these petty arguments.

Fiery · 21-07-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Perm

All Blacks World Cup Squad

Richie McCaw (c), Daniel Carter, Jerry Collins, Andrew Ellis, Nick Evans, Carl Hayman, Andrew Hore, Doug Howlett, Chris Jack, Byron Kelleher, Sione Lauaki, Brendon Leonard, Luke McAlister, Leon MacDonald, Chris Masoe, Aaron Mauger, Keven Mealamu, Mils Muliaina, Anton Oliver, Keith Robinson, Josevata Rokocoko, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Conrad Smith, Rodney So'oialo, Reuben Thorne, Neemia Tialata,Isaia Toeava, Ali Williams, Tony Woodcock.

One spot is still up for grabs and if Greg Somerville proves his fitness then he will be in the final 30. Piri Weepu, Rico Gear and Troy Flavell are the big omissions.

I'm glad Lauaki is in and Weepu is out. A bit tough on Gear and Flavell (who should be in ahead of The Invincible Man) and I probably would have had Gear ahead of Howlett personally. Good squad though

dontcloseyoureyes · 21-07-2007, 10:38 PM

Rico Gear's the best name.

BlackCap_Fan · 21-07-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Perm

All Blacks World Cup Squad

Richie McCaw (c), Daniel Carter, Jerry Collins, Andrew Ellis, Nick Evans, Carl Hayman, Andrew Hore, Doug Howlett, Chris Jack, Byron Kelleher, Sione Lauaki, Brendon Leonard, Luke McAlister, Leon MacDonald, Chris Masoe, Aaron Mauger, Keven Mealamu, Mils Muliaina, Anton Oliver, Keith Robinson, Josevata Rokocoko, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Conrad Smith, Rodney So'oialo, Reuben Thorne, Neemia Tialata,Isaia Toeava, Ali Williams, Tony Woodcock.

One spot is still up for grabs and if Greg Somerville proves his fitness then he will be in the final 30. Piri Weepu, Rico Gear and Troy Flavell are the big omissions.

Looks a pretty strong team. Glad to see that Leonard is in, while Weepu is out (I don't like Weepu for some reason). Hopefully Somerville can recover to get into the squad.

ohtani's jacket · 22-07-2007, 03:25 AM

That's rough on Weepu, but Leonard ought to be the All Blacks starting half-back next season.

BoyBrumby · 22-07-2007, 03:32 AM

Is it me or have you only got two scrum-halves in that squad?

Perm · 22-07-2007, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Is it me or have you only got two scrum-halves in that squad?

Byron Kelleher, Brendan Leonard, Andrew Ellis.

BoyBrumby · 22-07-2007, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Perm

Byron Kelleher, Brendan Leonard, Andrew Ellis.

Missed Ellis. Carry on.

Bit stiff on Weepu, mind as Ellis seemed to have hardly established himself as Canterbury's first-choice 9 ahead of Senio.

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21-07-2007, 09:53 PM	#65 (permalink)
Perm Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Clutha Valley, New Zealand Posts: 21,817	All Blacks World Cup Squad Richie McCaw (c), Daniel Carter, Jerry Collins, Andrew Ellis, Nick Evans, Carl Hayman, Andrew Hore, Doug Howlett, Chris Jack, Byron Kelleher, Sione Lauaki, Brendon Leonard, Luke McAlister, Leon MacDonald, Chris Masoe, Aaron Mauger, Keven Mealamu, Mils Muliaina, Anton Oliver, Keith Robinson, Josevata Rokocoko, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Conrad Smith, Rodney So'oialo, Reuben Thorne, Neemia Tialata,Isaia Toeava, Ali Williams, Tony Woodcock. One spot is still up for grabs and if Greg Somerville proves his fitness then he will be in the final 30. Piri Weepu, Rico Gear and Troy Flavell are the big omissions.

22-07-2007, 03:25 AM	#72 (permalink)
ohtani's jacket State Vice-Captain Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,244	That's rough on Weepu, but Leonard ought to be the All Blacks starting half-back next season.

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