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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I instinctively hate any system which can give away different amounts of points for each game. I really think each game should be worth X points the system should merely determine how they are divvied up and not how many are actually awarded. If you want to give a bonus point for scoring a certain amount of tries, you really should be giving one for not conceding that same number so you don't end up with some games being worth X total and some games being worth X+1.

    As long as that's satisfied I'm usually pretty cool with any system. It's not satisfied here so I agree with Bahnz but not for his reasons.
    So you hate basically every sport league there is then?
    Eg English Premier League - 3 points for a win, 0 for a loss, 1 for a draw - means a winning match is worth 3 points vs a draw being 2 points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper868 View Post
    So you hate basically every sport league there is then?
    Don't hate the sports themselves necessarily, but yes I hate most points systems around in professional sport at the moment.
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    Ice hockey is the worst though. You get extra points for waiting for overtime. Perverse incentives for $100 please

    (Probably cos shootouts look good on ESPN)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    Ice hockey is the worst though. You get extra points for waiting for overtime. Perverse incentives for $100 please

    (Probably cos shootouts look good on ESPN)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    This is the classic #1 observation from someone who doesn't watch the sport.

    Reducing the value of penalties would lead to more cynical play and fewer tries being scored.

    How would you rather split teams that are on an equal number of wins? FTR there aren't enough pool matches for bonus points to override a win.
    I've been playing and watching the game my whole life and I think the value of penalties should be reduced. There are other means to deal with cynical play. The most obvious cynicism leads to penalty tries - which are actually awarded fairly regularly - and of course yellow cards.

    Particularly galling is seeing referees give penalties for scrum collapses (in which noone knows wtf happened) at half way which end up costing a team 3 points and 3 minutes worth of game stoppage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Um yes, perfectly happy and it would have been perfectly fair. Bonus points for losing participants is something that's fair for a primary school sports day, but has no place in a major international tournament.

    I also think that if your goal is to promote try-scoring rugby, then it would be more effective to change the ratio of points awarded for a penalty kick compared to a converted try (perhaps so that it's more in line with league's 2:6 ratio) than offering a bonus point for scoring some arbitrary number of them.
    Unless refs started dishing out cards left right and center this would result in boring, slow rugby with less tries.

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    What bothers me is that conversion goal is 2 while a penalty goal is 3. They are a both place kicks at goal, it seems silly. I'd streamline that at least

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    I'm not really a rugby follower, so can anyone tell me how the bonus point system for the world cup makes any sense?

    Ok, I can kinda at least understand the bonus point for scoring tries. Rugby can be a pretty turgid sport to watch, especially in world cups when teams tend to be ultra defensive, so providing an incentive to toss the ball around and go for tries is understandable. But the bonus point for finishing within 7 is beyond stupid. I can't think of any other major sports tournament where a team gets points for only just losing. You don't get a point in cricket for losing by 1 run. You don't get a point in the soccer World Cup for conceeding a match losing goal in injury time. It's fair to use that stuff to decide who advances at the end of the group stage, but having it actually influence the number of points a team takes out of a match?

    I bring this up now because I think it's totally rubbish that the points taken from this morning's upset results in Japan getting 4 points to SA's 2. Why on earth do SA deserve to take away half as many points as the team that beat them? It's utter rubbish, and could have serious implications for who advances at the end of pool play.
    Pretty sure in some multi nation ODI tournies there are losing bonus points.
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    The only thing that really bugs me is that the losing bonus point is the equivalent of the patronising hair rub while saying 'well done, you did really well and ran them close, have a point for trying.'

    Which is fine if it's Japan narrowly losing to South Africa but the Springboks shouldn't be getting bonus anything for losing narrowly to Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Which is fine if it's Japan narrowly losing to South Africa but the Springboks shouldn't be getting bonus anything for losing narrowly to Japan.
    Yeah that's the point I was making. Doesn't reward the smaller teams for beating the bigger sides.

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    You don't reward a smaller team differently than you would a bigger team ffs. This isn't test rankings pre world cup. This is the world cup.
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