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Pool B - Argentina, England, Georgia, Romania, Scotland

James

Cricket Web Owner
10 September 2011
13:00 Scotland v Romania Rugby Park Stadium, Invercargill
Referee: Dave Pearson (England)

10 September 2011
20:30 Argentina v England Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Referee: Bryce Lawrence (New Zealand)

14 September 2011
19:30 Scotland v Georgia Rugby Park Stadium, Invercargill
Referee: George Clancy (Ireland)

17 September 2011
15:30 Argentina v Romania Rugby Park Stadium, Invercargill
Referee: Steve Walsh (Australia)

18 September 2011
18:00 England v Georgia Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Referee: Jonathan Kaplan (South Africa)

24 September 2011
18:00 England v Romania Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Referee: Romain Poite (France)

25 September 2011
20:30 Argentina v Scotland Wellington Regional Stadium, Wellington
Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)

28 September 2011
19:30 Georgia v Romania Arena Manawatu, Palmerston North
Referee: Dave Pearson (England)

1 October 2011
20:30 England v Scotland Eden Park, Auckland
Referee: Craig Joubert (South Africa)

2 October 2011
13:00 Argentina v Georgia Arena Manawatu, Palmerston North
Referee: Alain Rolland (Ireland)
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Be a fair old scrap for second between Scotland and Argentina. The sweaties have had some good results against the Pumas of late.

Pretty sure England should win it.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
Pretty sure they didn't play as they should in 2007. Well above and beyond.

This one's looking like a pretty favourable draw for England.
 

ripper868

International Coach
1. Argentina
2. Scotland
3.Georgia
4. Romania
5. England - Following point deduction for playing an ineligble player (due to admin cover-ups and false Grandmas it will be discovered one quarter of the England team is in fact not English)
 

ripper868

International Coach
Thats bad news for the Argies, Hernanadez is a fantastic player.

Odds of them causing an upset just diminished significantly.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
England squad announced

From the BBC.

Forwards: (17)

Props: Dan Cole (Leicester, Age 24, 17 caps), Alex Corbisiero (London Irish, 22, 6), Andrew Sheridan (Sale, 31, 38), Matt Stevens (Saracens, 28, 34), David Wilson (Bath, 26, 18).

Hookers: Dylan Hartley (Northampton, 25, 29), Lee Mears (Bath, 32, 37), Steve Thompson (Wasps, 33, 67).

Locks: Louis Deacon (Leicester, 30, 24), Courtney Lawes (Northampton, 22, 9), Tom Palmer (Stade Francais, 32, 27), Simon Shaw (unattached, 37, 67).

Back row: Tom Croft (Leicester, 25, 25), Nick Easter (Harlequins, 33, 44), James Haskell (Ricoh Black Rams, 26, 36), Lewis Moody (Bath, 33, 67), Tom Wood (Northampton, 24, 7).

Backs: (13)

Full-backs/wings: Delon Armitage (London Irish, 27, 20), Ben Foden (Northampton, 26, 16), Chris Ashton (Northampton, 24, 12), Mark Cueto (Sale, 31, 52).

Centres: Matt Banahan (Bath, 24, 13), Shontayne Hape (London Irish, 30, 12), Mike Tindall (Gloucester, 32, 71), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester, 20, 1).

Fly-halves: Toby Flood (Leicester, 26, 41), Jonny Wilkinson (Toulon, 32, 86).

Scrum-halves: Joe Simpson (Wasps, 23, 0), Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens, 28, 7), Ben Youngs (Leicester, 21, 12).

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No Flutey is the big news, I suppose.

Few areas of concern for me. 3 scrum-halves is one too many when Foden's more than capable of covering 9 & 4 specialist locks similarly, when Croft and even Wood could be used there in extremis.

Centres & fly-halves the big areas of concern for me. Only two specialist tens and no specialist insides is a strange call. I presume it means Hape will play 12, but really if a bloke who can't pass off his left hand and who has no kicking game at all is the answer we're clearly asking the wrong question.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
Not too worried by the half-backs, plenty of guys there who've done the job before. Think we can have some faith in Wilko & Flood.

Much, much less convinced by the centres. Hape at 12 is dodgy as you say, and Manu - as much as I like him - looks a total gamble.
 

flibbertyjibber

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The Manu gamble either means an early quarter final exit or another place in the final. Basically Johnson is putting his entire reputation as a coach in the hands of a kid. The talent is there but I think it is a huge risk to take.

We probably have a better side than the one that got to the final 4 years ago but I can't in my heart of hearts see us beating the French in the quarters.
 

Howe_zat

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The Manu gamble either means an early quarter final exit or another place in the final. Basically Johnson is putting his entire reputation as a coach in the hands of a kid. The talent is there but I think it is a huge risk to take.

We probably have a better side than the one that got to the final 4 years ago but I can't in my heart of hearts see us beating the French in the quarters.
The French are the least of our worries. I can't see us winning the thing but I see no reason why we can't be the best 6N side going.
 

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