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honestbharani

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Starc has been a major reason for Australia being as successful as they have been in all forms of cricket in this generation. I dunno if that alone makes him better than Gillespie but he is in that tier of conversation for sure. Better than Johnson at the very least IMO.
 

andruid

International Coach
Bro, almost anyone batting top 6 in a shield side would be better tbh. I'm not convinced Konstas is at the level of a Shield regular yet
This has been a horrible series to be an opening batsman, so there's little hope or expectation that some top 6 regular from the Sheffield Shield would have scored alot more runs than Konstas in this series. Having said that, Konstas definitely needs some years of seasoning at Shield level to really make the most of what I think is a really prodiguous talent.
 

Spark

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I know he batted #3 but the difference in trajectory between Green's series and Konstas's (and Khawaja's, I might add) does reveal quite a bit - mostly about their defensive techniques. Frankly Green might as well have been opening most of the time anyway.
 

TheJediBrah

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No they're not and it won't be considered. Its McSweeney or Harris and given those alternatives keeping Konstas isn't absurd.
I don't believe you've been watching him if you really think that
This has been a horrible series to be an opening batsman, so there's little hope or expectation that some top 6 regular from the Sheffield Shield would have scored alot more runs than Konstas in this series
"a lot" more? probably not. Some more? probably. More likely to score in the Ashes? Almost certainly.
 

Burgey

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A very good case can be made for Starc being the 2nd best Australian pacer of all time

400 test wickets. Top 3 for most wickets in ICC ODI WC with by far the best average among the top 3. GOAT bowler of pink ball. Just based on sheer impact, he has to be right up there.
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Burgey

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Who would you replace him with? Lets assume McSweeney has a dry run.
Realistically, any of Weatherald, Renshaw, Ward, Bancroft or Harris (shudder) would score more runs than Konstas rn. McSweeney too. Primarily because they have a bit of fc experience batting in tough conditions, even if they aren’t world beaters.
 

Burgey

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Starc has been a major reason for Australia being as successful as they have been in all forms of cricket in this generation. I dunno if that alone makes him better than Gillespie but he is in that tier of conversation for sure. Better than Johnson at the very least IMO.
If you’re across all formats I agree, I think in tests it’s close and I would probably say MJ just shades him on the basis of sheer destructiveness. Both rocks and diamonds bowlers, though Johnson a more extreme example imo.

I don’t think I will ever get as consistently erect over a cricket series as I did watching Johnson terrify and destroy England in 2013/14. It was genuinely scary stuff which I don’t think Starc even at his best could replicate.
 

Victor Ian

International Coach
Actually, it's a slight cheat, but you get by the most by combining Anderson, Broad and Root. They played 90 Tests together and totalled 729 wickets.

Anderson 353
Broad 340
Root 36
That's not a cheat.

Mcgrath and warne supposedly took 1001 wickets together. I think ponting probably played in most of the 104 matches they played, so maybe that trio wins.
 

honestbharani

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If you’re across all formats I agree, I think in tests it’s close and I would probably say MJ just shades him on the basis of sheer destructiveness. Both rocks and diamonds bowlers, though Johnson a more extreme example imo.

I don’t think I will ever get as consistently erect over a cricket series as I did watching Johnson terrify and destroy England in 2013/14. It was genuinely scary stuff which I don’t think Starc even at his best could replicate.
Oh I definitely think Johnson had the better peak but I just think Starc found ways to be useful even at his worst and that helped you win some games you might well have lost otherwise.
 

Bijed

International Regular
If you’re across all formats I agree, I think in tests it’s close and I would probably say MJ just shades him on the basis of sheer destructiveness. Both rocks and diamonds bowlers, though Johnson a more extreme example imo.

I don’t think I will ever get as consistently erect over a cricket series as I did watching Johnson terrify and destroy England in 2013/14. It was genuinely scary stuff which I don’t think Starc even at his best could replicate.
I' agree with you, although you had to choose one of the two, I think it would be reasonable to shy away from Johnson for the low-but-not-low-enough chance he bowls at his absolute worst for basically the whole game. Not sure we'll ever get someone quite like him, who hits some of the heights of the greatest fast bowling ever (probably), and... the opposite.
 

Beamer

International Captain
Beamer responded to a question about the pitch and his answer basically foreshadowed this disaster. A fc team was bowled out for, what was it, 44? And now this. I agree with comments the WI need to produce batting pitches. So do we coincidentally. These guys don't know how to bat and will never learn on mine fields. I don't agree it will harm the WI bowlers either. Good bowlers develop on good pitches.

I don't know why some nations are producing such crap pitches. Maybe they think tests need constant action to compete with white ball games and the best way of providing that is wickets. Yet the contrast with what we're getting in England atm is telling. That series has had 3 great games with the last test the best one yet - runs in the first two innings then a real scrap for both teams in their 2nd innings. I hope Australia gets back to producing true pitches because we have a test match tradition that can be marketed against white ball pyrotechnics. I think the WI should too. I mean if no one's watching fc cricket in the islands you might as well use the the opportunity to develop some batsmen.
Having had a bit more time to think about this, yes, the pitches are a huge issue and a mitigating factor when looking at the batters performances in this series. But I still wanted to see some evidence that they had the technique to perform in better conditions.

Apart from one superb innings from King, I didn't see that. Campbell showed glimpses but he will eventually get himself out when he gets to 30odd anyway. Louis looked awful in this match.

Anderson, who I have watched a lot in fc cricket and I thought had a chance of succeeding, looked like a deer in the headlights and a completely different player from the one I know. Carty showed minor glimpses but his fc record says he will get out pretty early eventually, no matter how solid he looks.

Chase and Hope are still terrible against good pace bowling with inward movement. Both got out in identical ways to previous iterations of their test career. I should have seen this coming, if I am honest. They both came back to play an fc match against T & T at Kensington Oval in March, alongside Kraigg and Holder. They faced Seales, Phillip and Joshua James, so a decent pace attack. Barbados were bowled out for 86 and 121.

Greaves just isn't good enough for test cricket. Honest trier, excellent fc cricketer, but not a test player.

So I am at a complete loss over what we do next. We primarily have to keep this lot, with minor tweaks, and just suck it up. Its going to be a long WTC for us.
 

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