***Official*** 5th Test at Old Trafford, Manchester - 10th-14th of September

[honestbharani]

I don’t think they care that much about the scoreline, they need it to be a forfeit for insurance purposes - roughly GBP30m which is no small amount to be scoffed at.

I do think they are entitled to demand that on the basis that it was the Indian players who didn’t want to play (understandably so) a match that theoretically could have gone ahead.

Yeah, ECB are definitely pushing it only coz of the money concerns and honestly, I would be ok if this was ruled as a forfeit to help with that. But why the **** did ECB not insure for covid related cancellation in the first place?

I think the ICC will finally adjudicate this as a covid cancellation and the insurance would kick in.

 

[honestbharani]

India’s position is weakened by them continuing on in SL despite half the team going down.

Ths is easily explained though. The players in SL did not have family and especially kids, with them.

 

[honestbharani]

That's like consummating a marriage an year after the fact. This series is done and hosed. I hope the rescheduled Test next year does not contribute to this series' scoreline and whatever impact it would've had on the WTC. 4 Tests each in India and England this year has a nice symmetry to it anyway.

I agree it should not count as this series but I think it should count for WTC points.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah, ECB are definitely pushing it only coz of the money concerns and honestly, I would be ok if this was ruled as a forfeit to help with that. But why the **** did ECB not insure for covid related cancellation in the first place?

I think the ICC will finally adjudicate this as a covid cancellation and the insurance would kick in.

Wonder if insurers are ready to offer that sort of coverage given the risk. Premiums would be exorbitant I imagine.

 

[honestbharani]

Wonder if insurers are ready to offer that sort of coverage given the risk. Premiums would be exorbitant I imagine.

No, I meant the very specific insurance for direct covid cancellation and covid related cancellation. I would have assumed covid cancellations are already pretty high premium so surely they could have bargained for more of an umbrella coverage, especially since they went through last summer without a single covid incident.

 

[Daemon]

No, I meant the very specific insurance for direct covid cancellation and covid related cancellation. I would have assumed covid cancellations are already pretty high premium so surely they could have bargained for more of an umbrella coverage, especially since they went through last summer without a single covid incident.

Was curious so tried to look it up - there’s no such coverage as suspected

How COVID has shaken up the event insurance market

Among the many and varied problems thrown up for sports leaders by the coronavirus pandemic, disruption to the insurance market is not the least irkso...

www.insidethegames.biz

The two main issues appear to be these: prices have shot up; and insurance that would protect event organisers against cancellation owing to COVID-19 is simply not available at a time when, intuitively, you would think it was most needed.

"From an event cancellation perspective, COVID-19 cover is not possible," according to Carl Baxter, a member of the sports and entertainment team at Miller, a specialist insurance and reinsurance broker operating in Lloyd’s of London and other international markets.

"Communicable disease (even excluding COVID-19) is also not available," Baxter adds.

 

[honestbharani]

Was curious so tried to look it up - there’s no such coverage as suspected

How COVID has shaken up the event insurance market

Among the many and varied problems thrown up for sports leaders by the coronavirus pandemic, disruption to the insurance market is not the least irkso...

www.insidethegames.biz

The two main issues appear to be these: prices have shot up; and insurance that would protect event organisers against cancellation owing to COVID-19 is simply not available at a time when, intuitively, you would think it was most needed.

"From an event cancellation perspective, COVID-19 cover is not possible," according to Carl Baxter, a member of the sports and entertainment team at Miller, a specialist insurance and reinsurance broker operating in Lloyd’s of London and other international markets.

"Communicable disease (even excluding COVID-19) is also not available," Baxter adds.

Well then ECB have to ask BCCI to somehow find them a way to make back this money, nicely. I mean ECB would have been ****ed if the match started and got cancelled due to a covid outbreak too, then, right? But the Harrison interview seemed to suggest covid cancellation was covered. We will wait and see, I guess.

 

[Daemon]

Well then ECB have to ask BCCI to somehow find them a way to make back this money, nicely. I mean ECB would have been ****ed if the match started and got cancelled due to a covid outbreak too, then, right? But the Harrison interview seemed to suggest covid cancellation was covered. We will wait and see, I guess.

From the BCCI perspective there’s very little incentive to pay the ECB anything. They can literally walk away without doing anything. It’s probably why they’ve worded the media release regarding the one off test as a favour.

If the ICC decides it’s a forfeit, ECB get their money. But it still won’t come from the BCCI.

 

[honestbharani]

From the BCCI perspective there’s very little incentive to pay the ECB anything. They can literally walk away without doing anything. It’s probably why they’ve worded the media release regarding the one off test as a favour.

If the ICC decides it’s a forfeit, ECB get their money. But it still won’t come from the BCCI.

Yeah, but the BCCI would worry about the optics of calling it a forfeit. Which is why I guess they will comb the fine print of the insurance agreement to figure out what to call it. My bet is on a covid cancellation clause that is actually covered in the insurance.

But if covid is not covered at all, then yes, expect it to be a forfeit. Will that help ECB pay Lancashire for their losses though? Hopefully the test next year makes it much less of a loss for them. This test was also like the Oval right? In that they had to honor those who bought tickets for last year?

 

[harsh.ag]

Out of sheer curiosity, did it rain in Manchester yesterday?

 

[ankitj]

Is it confirmed that BCCI declined pushing out the test by couple of days so that they can start IPL on time? If so, I will support this being treated as forfeiture. Not that BCCI cares about WTC points more than IPL but at least it will put some heat on them.

 

[ankitj]

 

[GotSpin]

Coz the plan was always to have a bio bubble from Manchester as that was part of the bubble to bubble deal worked out with UAE Government for the IPL.

There was clearly no bio bubble though

 

[honestbharani]

There was clearly no bio bubble though

It was to be formed in Manchester. M not sure what your point here is.

 

[Kilowatt]

Is it confirmed that BCCI declined pushing out the test by couple of days so that they can start IPL on time? If so, I will support this being treated as forfeiture. Not that BCCI cares about WTC points more than IPL but at least it will put some heat on them.

The IPL generates $510mn in revenue annually from just the broadcast rights alone. On top of that, you have the gate receipts and branding (VIVO IPL) adverts. This money is not pocketed by Jay Shah, it is distributed amongst franchisees (who employ hundreds of players and support staff), state associations, cricketing companies etc. ergo providing employment to at least a thousand people directly. On top of that the BCCI uses this money to fund the rest of its cricketing activities all along the country from grassroot to FC, List-A levels providing employment to thousands more and will be paying nearly a ₹1000cr in Income Tax this year which only became possible because of the IPL.

And you think a Test match in England is more important than it?

 

[GotSpin]

It was to be formed in Manchester. M not sure what your point here is.

I actually don’t know all the details but its very very poor from India if

- bio bubbles weren’t a thing for the tour
- attend other public events
- Appear to have no other concerns over Covid, eg Jarvo running onto the field

Then suddenly withdraw from an entire test Simply over concerns from Covid - no actual cases amongst its squad. Granted incubation periods and so forth, but given they’ve apparently not cared or worried throughout the whole series...it’s just garbage from India

This is not the same as England withdrawing from South Africa - There were supposed to be secure bio bubbles right?

When Indian players are going around to public events they clearly didn’t care in the first place until another motive has popped up

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Their physio was a case though.

 

[vandem]

The IPL generates $510mn in revenue annually from just the broadcast rights alone. On top of that, you have the gate receipts and branding (VIVO IPL) adverts. This money is not pocketed by Jay Shah, it is distributed amongst franchisees (who employ hundreds of players and support staff), state associations, cricketing companies etc. ergo providing employment to at least a thousand people directly. On top of that the BCCI uses this money to fund the rest of its cricketing activities all along the country from grassroot to FC, List-A levels providing employment to thousands more and will be paying nearly a ₹1000cr in Income Tax this year which only became possible because of the IPL.

And you think a Test match in England is more important than it?

Even England cricket thought IPL and ODI and T20I more important than test cricket earlier this season. Returning English IPL players didn't play in tests vs NZ, instead were rested before playing white ball vs Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

 

[ankitj]

The IPL generates $510mn in revenue annually from just the broadcast rights alone. On top of that, you have the gate receipts and branding (VIVO IPL) adverts. This money is not pocketed by Jay Shah, it is distributed amongst franchisees (who employ hundreds of players and support staff), state associations, cricketing companies etc. ergo providing employment to at least a thousand people directly. On top of that the BCCI uses this money to fund the rest of its cricketing activities all along the country from grassroot to FC, List-A levels providing employment to thousands more and will be paying nearly a ₹1000cr in Income Tax this year which only became possible because of the IPL.

And you think a Test match in England is more important than it?

Yes.

 

[Shri]

I actually don’t know all the details but its very very poor from India if

- bio bubbles weren’t a thing for the tour
- attend other public events
- Appear to have no other concerns over Covid, eg Jarvo running onto the field

Then suddenly withdraw from an entire test Simply over concerns from Covid - no actual cases amongst its squad. Granted incubation periods and so forth, but given they’ve apparently not cared or worried throughout the whole series...it’s just garbage from India

This is not the same as England withdrawing from South Africa - There were supposed to be secure bio bubbles right?

When Indian players are going around to public events they clearly didn’t care in the first place until another motive has popped up

i'llexplain it to you slowly so you can understand. i wanted to throw in kids number cartoons but i cbf'd

1 - shastri et al attend event along with ecb chair. 3 idiots test positive from the coaching/physio/support team.

2 - assistant physio who had been with that group tested negative.

3 - all players worked closely with the ass physio after the negative test because he was the only physio left

4 - ass physio tests positive

5 - players fear that covid is incubating in some players now and don't want to spread it further or get sick in the middle of the game

6 - test match abandoned