The UK Thread - Page 2

Samuel_Vimes · 09-07-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by superkingdave

Seems a bit stupid they expect 6 cycling medals but there are 7 gold chances??

Some of them could crash.

But looking at the last worlds results, 6 seems conservative, yeah.

BoyBrumby · 13-07-2008, 07:04 AM

After the ex-drugs cheat & sometime Castleford Tigers trialist won our 100m Olympic trial yesterday (From the BBC) he's put himself in the frame for selection if his appeal in the High Court over his lifetime ban from representing GB at the Olympics.

Just wondered what people thought about this? Should he be given another go or are we right to uphold a zero-tolerance approach?

aussie · 13-07-2008, 07:38 AM

why not could help the relay team defend the gold since he has no chance to medal in the 100 m given his time.

BoyBrumby · 13-07-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aussie

why not could help the relay team defend the gold since he has no chance to medal in the 100 m given his time.

To be fair to Chambers, although he's no chance for a medal, he's comfortably our no.1 in terms of performance. So if a realistic medal shout is part of one's criteria for entering none of our sprinters need bother.

I'd actually prefer to see him excluded from the relay team even if his appeal is successful, as his inclusion is going to be very divisive as (from what I've gathered) he's not exactly Mr Popular amongst his fellow sprinters.

Barney Rubble · 13-07-2008, 08:38 AM

Giant-sized "meh" to the Olympics from me. Would help if a few more of the sports included were actually sports.

Samuel_Vimes · 13-07-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Barney Rubble

Giant-sized "meh" to the Olympics from me. Would help if a few more of the sports included were actually sports.

Like wrestling, presumably.

On Chambers: the BOA rule on not selecting athletes that have been in doping offences has been there since 1992. Knew what he was up to itbt.

Barney Rubble · 13-07-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes

Like wrestling, presumably.

On Chambers: the BOA rule on not selecting athletes that have been in doping offences has been there since 1992. Knew what he was up to itbt.

Amateur wrestling, such as Greco-Roman, yes. It's perhaps the purest and oldest form of sport there is. Professional wrestling, no. Professional wrestling has more in common with acting than it does with sport, and as such has absolutely no place in the Olympics whatsoever. No-one who had watches professional wrestling would ever call it a sport, no more than you would assume the events of Lord of the Rings actually happened.

steds · 13-07-2008, 10:53 AM

Undecided on Chambers atm. I believe drugs cheats should be banned for life, and after the things Chambers said after the ban you couldn't blame the BOA for completely washing their hands of him. However, he's sort of won me over a bit. From all accounts, he genuinely gave Rugby League a proper go, despite having approximately 0% chance of nailing down the technical aspects of the game in a month, and combined with how hard he's tried to have his ban overturned, it gives the impression that this is a guy who actually cares about sport.

Either way, I sincerely doubt he'll run under 10 again, so it doesn't really matter.

Barney Rubble · 13-07-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by steds

Undecided on Chambers atm. I believe drugs cheats should be banned for life, and after the things Chambers said after the ban you couldn't blame the BOA for completely washing their hands of him. However, he's sort of won me over a bit. From all accounts, he genuinely gave Rugby League a proper go, despite having approximately 0% chance of nailing down the technical aspects of the game in a month, and combined with how hard he's tried to have his ban overturned, it gives the impression that this is a guy who actually cares about sport.

Either way, I sincerely doubt he'll run under 10 again, so it doesn't really matter.

Out of interest, what did he actually do in Rugby League? Did he have a trial with a team or something? I remember hearing about it once but then it just disappeared out of the papers.

steds · 13-07-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Barney Rubble

Out of interest, what did he actually do in Rugby League? Did he have a trial with a team or something? I remember hearing about it once but then it just disappeared out of the papers.

Had a month long trial with Castleford Tigers and then played one game for the reserves. Obviously had nowhere near the stamina or technique to hack it.

Barney Rubble · 13-07-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by steds

Had a month long trial with Castleford Tigers and then played one game for the reserves. Obviously had nowhere near the stamina or technique to hack it.

Yeah, I bet he found it a bit of a shock getting thumped by 15 stone blokes as soon as he got the ball as well.

Goughy · 14-07-2008, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by steds

Had a month long trial with Castleford Tigers and then played one game for the reserves. Obviously had nowhere near the stamina or technique to hack it.

Stamina, Ill buy that as its the hardest sport Ive played. But technique to play wing in League? He could learn that in 5 mins let alone needing a month.

Hardly taxing

On the issue. I personally believe in 2nd chances and I thought that after serving his ban that he should be allowed to compete. However, I wasnt actually aware of this by-law.

Now I know about it, it makes good sense. He can earn a living and compete in all other events and meetings but isnt allowed to represent GB in the olympics. That sounds fair enough.

GIMH · 14-07-2008, 06:27 AM

Pretty much agree with Goughy, though we are the only country with this by-law. And also Christine Ohuruogu is being allowed to compete.

aussie · 14-07-2008, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

To be fair to Chambers, although he's no chance for a medal, he's comfortably our no.1 in terms of performance. So if a realistic medal shout is part of one's criteria for entering none of our sprinters need bother.

I'd actually prefer to see him excluded from the relay team even if his appeal is successful, as his inclusion is going to be very divisive as (from what I've gathered) he's not exactly Mr Popular amongst his fellow sprinters.

Ha, that's not good lets say he is given the last leg they might just drop the batton before they get to him.

Is he in the 200 category i has a fair shout in that field with Gay not competing with Bolt & Powell favourites i reckon he is on par with all the Americans for a possible medal given he has good 100m finishing speed.

steds · 14-07-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

And also Christine Ohuruogu is being allowed to compete.

She didn't actually fail a drugs test though. Missing three tests makes it blindingly obvious she had something to hide, but there is no proof that she was cheating.

13-07-2008, 07:04 AM	#17 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,642	The Dwain Chambers issue After the ex-drugs cheat & sometime Castleford Tigers trialist won our 100m Olympic trial yesterday (From the BBC) he's put himself in the frame for selection if his appeal in the High Court over his lifetime ban from representing GB at the Olympics. Just wondered what people thought about this? Should he be given another go or are we right to uphold a zero-tolerance approach? __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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