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    Every Superhero Film Ever

    I was sat in the cinema watching 'Spiderman: Homecoming' and I remember thinking to myself - "I'm enjoying this because it's a little bit different. It's not just your typical superhero flick."

    This is a regular piece of complete nonsense I like to feed myself, as evidenced by the fact that Marvel could at this point put out 90 minutes of gargle noises and I'd still part with eight quid to go and see it. I'm reasonably sure of there being little artistic merit left in this story which we've all seen a bunch of times, and yet, it has me hook line and sinker. And I don't even read comic books any more.

    So the questions to answer are - why has this genre taken over the box office, why am I surprisingly okay with this given its general lack of creativity, and what exactly are the standard hallmarks of the genre in the first place?

    So as somebody who knows very little about 'Film' I can at least know a bit about films, by watching a boatload of them. I'm aiming for one a week (roughly) which even at my slightly-pared down list makes this around a two year project. For the record the rules are

    1. Must be a superhero film (duh)
    2. Must be based on comics, i.e. not a pastiche/parody
    3. Must have had a box office release

    Which includes everything I've liked, everything I've avoided, everything I probably should have seen by now and the stuff that probably shouldn't have existed. And we'll have a look in this thread.
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    This weekend I'm watching this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    2. Must be based on comics, i.e. not a pastiche/parody
    there's an argument that all superhero films are parodies of the Savior myth.

    Anyway, good luck. At least your watching of cheap fun will now have some kind of Purpose
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    Why has this genre taken over the box office?
    They are good movies that happen to have superheroes in them mostly. And also because there are no ugly people in any shot in an MCU movie.
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    The Superhero film isnt really something that should be considered a genre when really examining this. It gets to cheat a little because it can take an established character we think of as a superhero and then give us a genre film with it starring them.

    While most are action films with a redemptive arc, not all of them are. Some of the writing I've seen has put down their popularity as a side effect of a post 9-11 world. Spider-Man (Raimi) did kind of restart the whole thing in earnest. I'm not so sure on that front and think a genuine filmmaker like Nolan bringing in a billion dollars really opened it up for the Favreaus who smashed the whole thing open.

    There's staying power here because they can keep this core idea of a superhero that we know (however vaguely) and give us new faces and new settings and new threats and new ways to overcome them everytime. Gods, aliens, mad scientists, wizards, nazis, spies and everything in between, it's basically an open field for something genre typically only allows a relatively narrow field of.
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    When I was making my list it seemed to me the real watershed was 1989 Batman. Before that you had more years than films, after you didn't.

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    I don't think Batman had a huge impact, the superhero films began to gradually take less and less at the box office and while movies like Blade were pretty good, were they really appealing to a "I know the comic" crowd?

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    Significant Superhero films

    Superman (1978)
    Superman II (1980)
    Superman III (1983)
    Superman IV (1987)

    ^ the golden age style hero phase

    Batman (1989)
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles* (1990)
    Batman Returns (1992)
    Judge Dredd (1995)
    Batman Forever (1995)
    Batman & Robin (1997)
    Spawn (1997)
    Blade (1998)
    Mystery Men (1999)
    X-Men (2000)
    Unbreakable (2000)
    Blade II (2002)

    ^ the darker but still very cartoony phase which sort of turns to parody both intentionally and unintentionally

    Spider-Man (2002)

    ^ the flood gates open and the first wave of the modern era

    2003
    Daredevil, X2, Hulk

    2004
    Hellboy, The Punisher, Spider-Man 2, Catwoman, Blade: Trinity, The Incredibles

    2005
    Elektra, Constantine, Fantastic Four, Batman Begins

    2006
    V for Vendetta, Xmen 3, Superman Returns,

    2007
    Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, Spider-Man 3, Underdog

    2008
    Jumper, Superhero Movie

    (an interesting turning point between the films becoming a parody of themselves and films taking themselves infinitely more seriously, also when you start getting fairly major parodies of the genre My Super Ex-Gilfriend, the genre probably would have died here if not for...)

    also 2008

    The Dark Knight, Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Hancock, Hellboy II

    ^ second wave of the modern era begins with the birth of the MCU

    The rest is pretty straightforward from there


    *don't really count imo, I see it as more of a "comic book" film than "super hero", but worth at least looking at one to see a sort of sub genre, I'd say things like Darkman, Power Rangers, The Crow, The Phantom, Zorro, Time Cop and The Mask also fit into a sort of pseudo category as well, mildly associated with superhero films but sort of unique pieces unto themselves.
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    As long as the super heroes are good and interesting characters, and the movie does not **** with the basic plot line itself, they are always enjoyable to watch. I find that almost all MCU movies have good re-watch value, the TDK trilogy as well, and Wonder Woman for DC. And I usually fast forward the action set pieces in most movies that I re-watch. So that probably tells you that unlike the "intelligent" movie-lovers who will tell you superhero movies are cheap action thrills, they are just so so much more than that and a better watch than most of the "realistic" movies. I have not seen ALL superhero movies, but I might watch the ones I have missed so far thanks to Athlai.
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    No need to analyse this so much, it's pretty much thanks to China.

    Probably a small fraction of those who watch these movies even read the comics or care about the stories. Those who do then tend to think everyone else watched them because of that and not because its cool to see superheroes, villains, aliens, gods doing badass things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    No need to analyse this so much, it's pretty much thanks to China.

    Probably a small fraction of those who watch these movies even read the comics or care about the stories. Those who do then tend to think everyone else watched them because of that and not because its cool to see superheroes, villains, aliens, gods doing badass things.
    This isn't true. China is fairly lukewarm to superhero films compared to other Hollywood blockbuster action films.

    For example this year, 3 fairly revered movies in the West Logan, Wonder Woman and Guardians of the Galaxy 2, all made far less than such stellar action romps as Resident Evil 46, xXx: the return of the sequel and Transformers The Quest for More Money
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    China loves Transformers, not the superhero stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    China loves Transformers, not the superhero stuff
    It's not just Transformers, it's most big budget Hollywood films. Superhero movies don't necessarily die there, but they don't do well.

    2017 top 10 Hollywood
    The Fate of the Furious $392 million
    Transformers The Last Knight $219 million
    Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell no Tales $172 million
    Kong Skull Island $168 million
    xXx: The Return of Xander Cage $164 million
    Resident Evil: The Final Chapter $159 million
    Logan $105 million
    GOTG 2 $100 million
    The Mummy $91 million
    Wonder Woman $89 million

    (domestically in the US those 3 superhero movies were 2,3,4)

    2016 top 10 Hollywood
    Zootopia $235 million
    Warcraft $213 million
    Captain America: Civil War $180 million
    The Great Wall $170 million
    Kung Fu Panda 3 $154 million
    The Jungle Book $150 million
    Star Wars: The Force Awakens $124 million
    X-Men Apocalypse $120 million
    Doctor Strange $109 million
    Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice $95 million
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    Hong Kong banks have been offering superhero-themed credit cards for a while now


    If you still like superheroes, you're not ready for a credit card. Grow the **** up.
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