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    Dirty politics is a side issue.

    To me the key issues are National's refusal to take an open minded look at the introduction of a Capital Gains Tax and to increase the pensioner age. That's just poor from a government that claims economic responsibility. It's unsustainable to have a housing market that's untaxed, it's unsustainable to have a massive generation of baby boomers and following generations on pensions from the age of 65-90.

    I don't think Cunliffe needed to turn "prospectors" into evil overlords or anything like that, just to make the very valid point that an inherently overvalued housing market removes capital, doesn't create jobs, and is a tax loophole for those with enough personal capital to work it.

    NZ does need capital, from overseas or domestically. What doesn't help is having an overproportionate amount of that tied up in the housing market. It's absolutely essential for the economy that that bubble is burst and the best way to do that is to make it an equal investment with other industries that actually contribute to the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Dirty politics is a side issue.

    To me the key issues are National's refusal to take an open minded look at the introduction of a Capital Gains Tax and to increase the pensioner age. That's just poor from a government that claims economic responsibility. It's unsustainable to have a housing market that's untaxed, it's unsustainable to have a massive generation of baby boomers and following generations on pensions from the age of 65-90.
    I remember reading somewhere that just increasing the pensioner age by a couple of years over the long term will have a pretty marginal impact on the Government's books, and that the only way to really make a dent in pension payments would be to reduce the amount that pensioners are actually paid. Obviously neither party is suggesting this as it represents political suicide. Still I suppose Labour's proposal is slightly better than nothing.
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    how is it possible that 2 years worth of pensioner payments wouldn't have a major effect? It just seems mathematically impossible unless the majority of 65 year olds decided to go on the dole for 2 years.

    Of course there will be 65yos who can't work as builders or whatever but that's a seperate issue.

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    wow this Judith Collins/Cameron Slater thing is really turning into a serious issue.

    The director of Hanover Finance - which collapsed owing more than 500 million dollars and was under investigation by the SFO - paid Cameron Slater and another blogger to run a smear campaign against Adam Feeley, the head of the SFO (in Slater's words "he's paying us to **** with them"). Slater also emailed someone else saying that Judith Collins - the minister responsible for the SFO - was "gunning for Feeley".

    So whereas before it sounded like Collins was undermining a public servant - which is bad enough itself - here it sounds like an even more serious issue in which Collins, Slater and the director of Hanover (who is still under investigation) may be in cahoots.


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    Has anyone tried TVNZ's "Vote Compass"? It's a pretty handy resource if you're still making up your mind about hwo to vote for - though in my case it wasn't especially helpful as I ended up with almost a dead-heat between Labour and National for my preferred party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Has anyone tried TVNZ's "Vote Compass"? It's a pretty handy resource if you're still making up your mind about hwo to vote for - though in my case it wasn't especially helpful as I ended up with almost a dead-heat between Labour and National for my preferred party.
    Just did it then, out of interest:

    United Future -- 64%
    Labor -- 61%
    Maori -- 57%
    Internet -- 56%
    National -- 51%
    Conservative -- 49%
    Greens -- 45%
    NZ First -- 44%
    Mana -- 39%
    ACT -- 36%

    As far as compass placement went, I was a shade left of centre economically, and about 1/4 of the way up the social progressive axis.
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    And now Eminem is suing National for the blatant Lose Yourself plagiarism in their TV ads. Most entertaining election campaign ever, IMO (although Don Brash trying to climb into a tiny race car was amusing as well).

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    Nah. This election's been awful. No attention on policy all on personality. I've no idea what National's policy portfolio looks like for the next term other than there's a tax cut bribe that will come in just in time for the next election. Damn the reactionaries and their crypto-fascist paymasters.
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    Oh yeah, it's been appalling in terms of actually important stuff like policy, but that's not what gets the general public engaged. I reckon there'll be an upturn in the voting turnout this weekend - weather permitting, of course. It's astonishing how many people give up their democratic right if it's a rainy day.

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    So, I tried to make an overseas vote online. It told me I needed to create a RealMe account to verify who I was. I created the account and used it to log in to vote online. It then told me I need a verified identity RealMe account to vote online. So I logged into RealMe and selected verify identity. It told me I needed to visit my local NZ postshop to verify my identity in person and have a photo taken. My local postshop (Newmarket) is 7334 miles away. The postshop in Whangarei might be a little closer, but it's still a bloody long way.

    The interesting thing is I used the same (unverified) RealMe account to renew my passport. So it's easier to get a passport than it is to vote.

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    I voted from overseas online and didn't need anything like that. Just printed out a form and then uploaded it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RossTaylorsBox View Post
    I voted from overseas online and didn't need anything like that. Just printed out a form and then uploaded it.
    Were you already registered? I think all my troubles are because I'm not registered.

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    Do you mean enrolled? You should be able to enrol even without a RealMe account.

    https://enrol.elections.org.nz/app/e...select-process
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    Quote Originally Posted by RossTaylorsBox View Post
    Do you mean enrolled? You should be able to enrol even without a RealMe account.

    https://enrol.elections.org.nz/app/e...select-process
    Yeah, I meant enroll (been living in the States too long).

    I picked option B (RealMe) and it all ended in tears. I guess option A is the way to go, cheers.

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    So I got forwarded this letter by someone trying to troll me. I think it's doing the rounds in my home town.

    THE GREENS AND THE RISK TO NEW ZEALAND

    Russel Norman is a "former" Marxist and current co - leader of the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand.
    Norman was born in Brisbane, Australia , and worked a number of unskilled roles after dropping out of medical school. Norman moved to New Zealand in 1997 saying this was to observe the red-green Alliance coalition. He wrote his political science PhD thesis on the Alliance , and was active within the party editing its party newsletter. Whilst living in Australia , Norman was involved with the Socialist Workers' Party (a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist organisation) for several years.[
    He was also a member of Resistance-the youth wing of the Australian Democratic Socialist Party. The Democratic Socialist Perspective (DSP) was anAustralian Marxist political group, which operated as the largest component of a broad-left socialist formation, the Socialist Alliance. In 2010, the DSP voted to merge into the Socialist Alliance.
    He worked at a variety of jobs in Australia . Listing some of these, and in chronological order:
    1988, Nurses Aid.
    1989-90, Sheetmetal worker.
    1990-2, Car assembly-line worker.
    1994-5, Gardener.
    He arrived in New Zealand in 1997, worked on an organic farm for a while, and in 2002 entered politics standing for the Greens.


    Metiria Leanne Agnes Stanton Turei (born 1970) is a New Zealand member of Parliament and the female co-leader of the Green Party alongside Russel Norman.
    Between 1989–1991, Metiria was the Tumuaki o Te Iwi Maori Rawakore o Aotearoa and involved with Te Roopu Rawakore o Aotearoa. Metiria was a founding member of the Random Trollops performance art troupe. She was a candidate for the McGillicuddy Serious Party in the 1993 election and for the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party in the 1996 election.
    She joined the Green Party in 2002 and was elected as co-leader at the Green Party AGM in 2009. Apart from her being a part of the Random Trollops, she doesn't appear to have held down a job of substance.
    These two, one a dyed in the wool socialist with Marxist leanings, and the other just someone desperate to get a tax paid ride in Parliament with whatever party will have her, are the leaders of the party that Labour are happy to suck up to just to get onto the front benches.
    Neither have a work history or useful education which might qualify them for politics or indeed any history of being concerned with the 'green' environment which is the camouflage used to attract gullible and young voters.
    The worst thing that can happen to New Zealand , for everyone, is for the Greens (red on the inside) to get a controlling foothold in Parliament with the Union controlled Labour party and its self confessed socialist inspired leader.
    Socialism only works in impoverished societies or when anarchy threatens. Marxism does not work at all.
    I disagree with the Greens on most non-climate issues but at least if they get in it will troll people like the letter writer.

    It reads kind of like a forum mafia game. Russel Norman is back in the game. He is Marxist Overlord - Green Party of New Zealand
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