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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Just my opinion, if you want something middling then filling a resume is one way to go. If you want something special, and special depends completely on the person and what they want, then luck, being creative and talented, getting to know people in your industry is far more important.

    For a career, you don't employ someone for the job they are interviewing for. You interview them for their capabilities to be snr management or a decision maker some day. In my limited experience, interviewing well - and I have had **** interviews - and showing talent for the next level is what gets you the job. Not necessarily a CV of irrelevant work exp that shows you can work hard. A pit pony works hard but you wouldn't want them running the business in 15 yrs.

    Edit - I don't mean the pricks who say in the interview that they want the boss' job in 5 yrs. Drive and ambition are different beasts to talent and capability. Ambition is naked without talent.
    I am going to be contrarian (sp?) here Goughy. I play down my ambition.

    When asked in interviews where I want to be in 5 years I regard it as a trick question. If you say, just as you have indicated in your response, anything that vaguely could be construed to mean you want the equivalent of the hiring managers job you are ****ed. My practiced answer is to say I would like to be given projects of a greater responsibility some years after being hired after having established a good reputation.

    Once in an Amazon.com job interview I lost the job on the question which part of amazon do you want to work on - I tried to pick any product manager job I could think of that she wouldn't already be the product manager for and went with books and struck out. She wrote something down in her notebook and the rest of the interview went sour.

    In my first ever summer job interview they asked me for some unknown reasons what my career aspirations were as I was interviewing for the stock boy job. And I said maybe ordering the inventory. And the third person on the panel got alarmed and said I wanted her job, I still got the job but she lobbied for me to be fired some months later and I was (although I did suck at the job too which didn't help).

    Where I can agree with you and perhaps if I read your post again I would see you are trying to say this - if you appear in the interview to be so competent that you have upper management written on your forehead you will get the job. You just can't come out and indicate you want upper management overtlly.
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    tbh, I don't think you're really disagreeing with him. Goughy, from what I gather, is advicating a similar mindset to that writers are taught - show, don't tell.
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    this could quickly decend to dick waving
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    tbh, I don't think you're really disagreeing with him. Goughy, from what I gather, is advicating a similar mindset to that writers are taught - show, don't tell.
    Yeah - I came in here to edit my post to change it as I realised later that I am not in disagreement with him (Goughy). I will leave it now however and just make this post with an acknowledgement. I think I just wanted to emphasize his point about not being a threat to the hiring manager.

    Not sure on Uvos post - apologize if I was doing anything like that.


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    yeah ignore me i don't know what i was on about

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    Nah, it's fair enough to be worried about it in this sort of thread. Not what I wanted when I started it.

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    Just saw this posted. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    My question for this thread:

    So I'm a Uni student, and like all Uni students I'm pretty poor and need money to pay for the copious amounts of booze I'm supposed to consume (or in my case, pay Uni fees to avoid a massive HECS debt and save for a car).

    But somehow I don't think my slightly more farsighted motivations compared to my peers is likely to score me employment. So what can a Uni student with no completed tertiary qualifications and roughly the same experience as the next guy do to stand out from the job seeking crowd?
    Bad option I reckon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GotSpin View Post
    Bad option I reckon.
    What's the rationale behind that? I know HECS isn't a bad debt to have, but if you can pay it off early (and at a 10% discount), why wouldn't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    What's the rationale behind that? I know HECS isn't a bad debt to have, but if you can pay it off early (and at a 10% discount), why wouldn't you?
    I'd like to hear the views of other members but I always thought it was better to have more money than less when studying. You're not going to have huge amounts of disposable income while studying and I'd rather put it towards the now more than the later. Things like travelling and buying that car are much easier with HECS. Pay it off when you've graduated and either have a better paying job or at least more available time to work

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    If you can afford to do it as you are working part time in a reasonable paying job (or your parents are willing to pay for it etc.) then go for it. Having said that, the discount is (or has already?) been reduced right? So its not as attractive as it once was.

    But if by paying your HECS off early you are eating 2 minute noodles for dinner every night and saying no to going out with mates etc., then its probably not worth it.

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    I don't know of anyone who paid without their parents. Doesn't seem worth it tbh.

    But don't do what I'm doing. Drag out your degree so you don't have to pay back the loan in order to go travelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by GotSpin View Post
    I don't know of anyone who paid without their parents. Doesn't seem worth it tbh.
    I think it would be different if you were a part time student though, so completing 2 subjects a semester but working 2-4 days per week (or weekends). You actually may have enough disposable income to pay it off.

    Back when I was studying the discount was 20% which is not something to sneeze about. The current 10% definitely less of an incentive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    I think it would be different if you were a part time student though, so completing 2 subjects a semester but working 2-4 days per week (or weekends). You actually may have enough disposable income to pay it off.

    Back when I was studying the discount was 20% which is not something to sneeze about. The current 10% definitely less of an incentive.
    Yeah that's true. I study part time and work 7 days a week so I'd be able to pay it as I go. I'd rather put the money towards other things though. Depends upon your priorities I suppose

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    Largely in line with GotSpin on this one. Plus if we don't use it, we lose it so for the future of the scheme, get on it I reckon. The burden of having it whilst working isn't much and the incentives for paying up-front now are, as Jono said, bugger-all.

    That said, I paid up-front for my psych degree. Was working full-time, though.

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