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    10 infants dead in California whooping cough outbreak - CNN.com

    I am speechless, I have no speech. 10 deaths of kids < 3 months from whooping cough this year? California is at the vanguard of the anti-vaxx movement and, frankly, these idiots should face some sort of prosecution. Oi, idiots, vaccinante your kids so they can grow up to be idiots too!
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    That article is from 2010. But yea, I agree with you.
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    Ah dammit.

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    i met a guy the other day in our postgrad computer lab who is against vaccinations because the syringes and needles can't be recycled so we're killing the planet. he also said we get all the immunity we need from breast milk because it passes our mums resistances on to us.

    i told him we'll both eat some polio and see who dies first. i wish i hadn't because he got on his high horse again for another half hour.

    i repeated this story to the gf and she started agreeing with him on the milk thing. :/ told her its a good thing she is terrified of babies then.

    (don't say that if you want fun times that night ftr)

    i've also subsequently found out i don't have all of mine, and i don't know which ones i'm missing. :/ probably a good thing loony #1 didn't take me up on my bet.

    vaccinations will be non negotiable if i ever have kids ftr. they're getting them.
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    Ugh. Breast milk really is the best for the baby and it does provide immunological benefit but it's not a substitute for vaccines. It's just like all the other pseudoscience crap - they take something with a grain of truth and then just exaggerate it until it makes no sense. Everything from global warming, to evolution to GMO foods suffers from the same problem.

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    And now that notorious anti vaxxer is going to be on the view. How many children is that going to kill?

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    I'm okay with anti-vaxxers as long as it doesn't restrict my ability to give vaccines to any potential kids I may have.

    It's just another example of evolution in action as their progeny die of polio, tetanus or whatever childhood disease they don't have immunity to.
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    The problem is they kill other kids. For example, if someone is too sick or too young to get a vaccine (you don't give vaccines right after birth - have to wait a little bit for most of them) - they are still susceptible to the disease and you are relying on other kids in the hospital and in the neighborhood to be immunized. There were cases of kids dying in California who were simply too young to be vaccinated - because other kids in the area had the disease who weren't vaccinated.

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    No mate, it will (and demonstrably does) kill more kids. This is why the attitude is so dangerous. Babies are vulnerable until they have two does of the vaccine which, if the mothers are fastidious enough to follow government guidelines, is roughly the first 4 months of life. The lack of babies dying from it is generally attributed to the lack of kids around these babies with symptoms of the disease and the most effective way to make that happen is via vaccination. Too many people assume or have convinced themselves that because breast feeding is acknowledged as the best way to get mum's antibodies into their kids, they're safe from everything but it's really not true for Pertussis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post

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    Aren't some vaccines not 100%? In which case, if you have a higher portion of people that aren't vaccinated, that raises the probability of everyone catching the disease?
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    The problem is they kill other kids. For example, if someone is too sick or too young to get a vaccine (you don't give vaccines right after birth - have to wait a little bit for most of them) - they are still susceptible to the disease and you are relying on other kids in the hospital and in the neighborhood to be immunized. There were cases of kids dying in California who were simply too young to be vaccinated - because other kids in the area had the disease who weren't vaccinated.
    This. I remember spitting blood many years ago when my son's older cousin hadn't been vaccinated and my son was too young to have the MMR and there was a brief concern that the latter had caught something unpleasant, thus putting mine lad at risk. Thankfully it was a false alarm and they're both fine. Apart from Wakefield's cynical opportunism, I really objected to papers like the Mail sticking all this on their front page as a stick to beat the Blair Government, irresepective of the likely impact on infant mortality.

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