Imran detained in Canada by American Immigration?

[smalishah84]

FMD. The **** got asked a few questions en route to the US and there's over a hundred ****ing posts on it.

Ridiculous.

Imran haters can suck it

[Sanz]

I decided to collate my thoughts on the matter Sanz.

The whole point to our argument here has been that in the process of war, different factions like TTP who were either under control or were not involved in extremism decide to emerge from the woodwork and cause problems. TTP itself is an example of an organisation which took advantage of the chaos war presented (US invasion) and their hidden extremist ideology present in people like Baitullah Masud came to forefront amidst the chaos.

I like the way you pick some information and ignore some. Here are some key points that you have missed :-

1. The USA didn't just wake up one day and decided to attack Afghanistan, they attacked because the Taliban government was providing shelter to OBL
2. The Chaos in Pakistan (Taliban regions) was not because of US invasion of Afghanistan but because of Pakistan Military operations ( http://www.issi.org.pk/publication-f...2_58398784.pdf)
3. Baitullah Mashud came to the forefrunt because the previous leader was killed in Drone attack. The Previous leader was an Al-Qaida Terrorist.

So going back to the point of the argument, I have been saying that the US war in 2001, created an opportunity for the TTP to bring its hidden evil ideology to the forefront and to drive their campaign of terror. Whereas you seem to think it was their main agenda even before and since their inception in 1998. The question is, are groups such as the TTP or Al Qaida, or any other group judged since they existed or since their ideology changed to extremism. For example it was Libya who originally termed Al Qaida as Terrorists because of their attacks despite the US being allies with Bin Ladin at the time (the US still don’t consider them terrorists since as far back). If a group decides to start innocents 5 years after formation, do we call them terrorists from that date or from before it. According to you, it doesn’t matter, whereas I think it does. I think it does matter that the TTP took opportunity of the US invasion in creating strife for Pakistan despite existing only as a movement as far back as 1998.

TTP are a bunch of Terrorists, their members were terrorists before they united under the Umbrella of TTP and they are terrorists after it. I do not see the difference. Their fight isn't against US alone, their fight is against the Pakistan Nation, against the ordinary people of Pakistan, against everyone in Pakistan who wants to have a normal life, educate his/her children and above all just a peaceful society. TTP wants to create a state where they can establish their rule like the Taliban did in Afghanistan before 2001.

You can not convince me because you do not have the facts infact I firmly believe that you are a TTP sympathizer.

[Spark]

Btw, have said this before but i don't see Imran as some sort of right wing fanatic as some portray him. Having seen his interviews on various issues, he is more like a Religious socialist. (As communist as one can get in a Religious and Islamic country).

People with this philosophy do say some weird things some times, and Imran has been convenient in playing to different audiences in different ways, but ultimately he's a politician.

In short, don't think he'll be another Zia Ul Haque even if he gets elected.

He strikes me as populist. Doesn't make him an especially bad politician on the grand scheme of things, but it does mean that people should treat him with significantly more scepticism and credulity than many do at present.

Not that I expect them to, of course.

[Agent Nationaux]

I have been civil throughout my exchange with the poster called Sanz, whilst he has been rude and is now calling me a terrorist sympathiser. This is an extremely ignorant and offensive comment. I am the one who doesn't believe in intimidation or violence. I have always been against any form of terrorism whether from TTP et al or the US drone attacks on civilians, whilst Sanz is OK with the civilian collateral damage caused by the drones, and yet I am the one who is being labelled as a Terrorist! I am sure other members of the forum can vouch that I have always been against the TTP. Just because I have been involved in a civil discussion, this guy labels me in the most heinous of ways.

I hope the mods take note of his comment and ban him for such a disgusting comment. It's absolutely ridiculous that it has been tolerated thus far.

[Agent Nationaux]

I hope everyone else agrees with me that it was a vile comment. And I would like to get their take on it as well.

[Agent Nationaux]

You can not convince me because you do not have the facts infact I firmly believe that you are a TTP sympathizer.

Here it is for everyone to see how vile this person is.

[GIMH]

FMD. The **** got asked a few questions en route to the US and there's over a hundred ****ing posts on it.

Ridiculous.

I think the key question is whether Botham, Dev and Hadlee get through without questions? We can add a 'passing immigration without bother' stat to future debates.

[Sanz]

I have been civil throughout my exchange with the poster called Sanz, whilst he has been rude and is now calling me a terrorist sympathiser. This is an extremely ignorant and offensive comment. I am the one who doesn't believe in intimidation or violence. I have always been against any form of terrorism whether from TTP et al or the US drone attacks on civilians, whilst Sanz is OK with the civilian collateral damage caused by the drones, and yet I am the one who is being labelled as a Terrorist! I am sure other members of the forum can vouch that I have always been against the TTP. Just because I have been involved in a civil discussion, this guy labels me in the most heinous of ways.
I hope the mods take note of his comment and ban him for such a disgusting comment. It's absolutely ridiculous that it has been tolerated thus far.

Civil Discussion ? You called me confused when I started posting facts about TTP terrorists and you couldn't defend your position. You have been on this forum spreading lies after lies about US and making one provocative remark/accusation after another without any proof.

You have been defending TTP on this forum for quite some time and I find that very offensive as a human being. Having read your views I can clearly see that they align more with Religion's Radical ideas (e.g. Alcohol is not good for society) and that's why it is not a surprise to see your views on TTP and Imran Khan's support who continues to play dirty politics.

[nightprowler10]

I don't think it is possible to have any more productive discussion in this thread.