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    Genetic Modification in Food

    Never observed Greens being particularly anti-scientific tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Never observed Greens being particularly anti-scientific tbh.
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    Aren't they against GM foods for no reason whatsoever?
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    GM foods, nanotech, nuclear (obvs) - basically the whole biotech industry


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    Someone has to explain the argument against GM foods to me. Farmers have been doing that for thousands of years. Have they seen a wild banana?



    So many of our foods exist because they were cross-bred by farmers.

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    That's not genetic modification, that's natural selective breeding. Massive difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    GM foods, nanotech, nuclear (obvs) - basically the whole biotech industry
    They're not drop-dead "against" any of those ideas, they're against the idea of half-arsing them without seriously considering the future consequences in the name of profit. Speaking from the NZ Green's perspective, ftr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    That's not genetic modification, that's natural selective breeding. Massive difference.
    It's not natural - it's by definition artificial if farmers are doing it. And it's genetic modification because farmers have been combining different genes from different species to yield a different product. The only difference is now we can do it better instead of haphazardly and semi-blindly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    They're not drop-dead "against" any of those ideas, they're against the idea of half-arsing them without seriously considering the future consequences in the name of profit. Speaking from the NZ Green's perspective, ftr.
    What 'considerations' are those, when it comes to GM foods? Because you know, GM foods, fortified with vitamins that are deficient in a large percentage of the world's population, could save millions of lives. It's primarily scare mongering, mostly from the left, that's stopping it. It's hysteria about 'frankenfoods' (whatever that means).
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    Mm yeah they say that, but then you get down to the actual substance of their criticisms and it's pitifully obvious that they have very little knowledge of the actual scientific literature, or if they have they've completely ignored it (which was my original point).

    Hypocrites tbh. They hammer the science to the death but only if it suits their pre-ordained ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    It's not natural - it's by definition artificial if farmers are doing it. And it's genetic modification because farmers have been combining different genes from different species to yield a different product. The only difference is now we can do it better instead of haphazardly and semi-blindly.
    It's not artifical though - it's just a guiding hand to natural process. Natural processes are slower but provide some error-control and limits as to what can occur. Fiddling with things and such a basic level which are going to go out into the world and reproduce within many ecosystems is not something which should be done lightly imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    What 'considerations' are those, when it comes to GM foods? Because you know, GM foods, fortified with vitamins that are deficient in a large percentage of the world's population, could save millions of lives. It's primarily scare mongering, mostly from the left, that's stopping it. It's hysteria about 'frankenfoods' (whatever that means).
    The problem with GM there is that, while it potentially has good uses, it's inevitably going to be used as a poor short-term patchover for problems which are basically direct results of poor modern farming methods. I'm not one of those people who wants to label the whole concept as evil - that's stupid. It has (or will have) a place, it's just that there's plenty of other things we should be thinking about sorting out ahead of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    It's not artifical though - it's just a guiding hand to natural process. Natural processes are slower but provide some error-control and limits as to what can occur. Fiddling with things and such a basic level which are going to go out into the world and reproduce within many ecosystems is not something which should be done lightly imo.



    The problem with GM there is that, while it potentially has good uses, it's inevitably going to be used as a poor short-term patchover for problems which are basically direct results of poor modern farming methods. I'm not one of those people who wants to label the whole concept as evil - that's stupid. It has (or will have) a place, it's just that there's plenty of other things we should be thinking about sorting out ahead of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    It's not artifical though - it's just a guiding hand to natural process. Natural processes are slower but provide some error-control and limits as to what can occur. Fiddling with things and such a basic level which are going to go out into the world and reproduce within many ecosystems is not something which should be done lightly imo.
    Um, what? Some random radiation hits a strand of DNA in a vegetable and breaks it, the repair mechanisms don't work, and voila, you have a random mutation. What error control are you talking about? It's only us humans that provide error control because we decide specifically what genes to put in.

    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    The problem with GM there is that, while it potentially has good uses, it's inevitably going to be used as a poor short-term patchover for problems which are basically direct results of poor modern farming methods. I'm not one of those people who wants to label the whole concept as evil - that's stupid. It has (or will have) a place, it's just that there's plenty of other things we should be thinking about sorting out ahead of it.
    Like what?

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    Struggling to think of, on a global scale, things that count as more important as tackling global poverty tbh.

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