Identity cards in the UK

LankanPrince · 13-11-2003, 01:41 PM

OK what do you people think of UK home secretary David Blunkett's proposal to introduce identity cards to the UK? He may have made some idiotic comments in his time but this a damn good idea. I think that people who have nothing to hide can enjoy this proposal as it better protects the society from the wrongdoers in the society. People can enjoy the benefits which they deserve. It should also help root out the unnecessary illegal asylum seekers in the UK. I can appreciate that people seek asylum if they are genuinely being persecuted in their country. But some of the 'economic' illegal asylum seekers give a bad stereotypical impression of the UK's ethnic communities to the English. If they are identified more effectively it should help send them back to their native countries and make Britain better for everyone. I may be a foreigner to the UK but I can understand English peoples' concerns about asylum seekers having priority for areas such as housing. After all they are the original people in this country and they deserve better.

Neil Pickup · 13-11-2003, 01:46 PM

Technically, we're not the original people in this county. I believe that was the Neanderthals and they're long dead, most of us are descended from Roman/Scandinavian/Angles/Saxon/Norman/Jute invaders around 700-2100 years ago :P

I'm in opposition to ID cards because there is such potential for abuse of information - they will include fingerprints and Iris recognition. And as for "uncopiable"? Nothing is uncopiable.

I feel the government are trying to find some way out of the asylum hole they keep on digging by trying to pander to both left- and right- wing sensibilities at the same time with the resultant complete mess.

FACT - Birth rate is falling and people are living longer
FACT - Dependency ratio is sky-rocketing
FACT - We then have less people to pay for more
FACT - There are two ways to get more people
FACT - Immigrants and Births
FACT - We've just ruled out the latter

So the criminalisation and hype and general victimisation, persecution and blame of immigrants really doesn't help too much, does it?

Rik · 13-11-2003, 01:56 PM

Well people can already find out everything they need to know about me on my Driving Liscence...

My Address
My Age
My Name
The Fact I Can Drive
My Nationality (although it does not show I have dual-nationality)

I'm not opposed to it, although I already have a CitizenCard which is National Proof of Age. Anyway if they sorted this ID card out we would all have to pay for it I bet...

luckyeddie · 13-11-2003, 03:42 PM

The talk is that it will be a voluntary scheme for which you will have to pay for the privilege (about 40 pounds).

Amazingly enough, a passport isn't classified as proof of identity according to at least one high street store. Mrs LE applied for a storecard several months ago (which came through ok) then last week she went in to the store in question to buy something.

They said "It isn't activated"
She said "Activate the damned thing then"
Thay said "Have you proof of identity?"
She said "Here's my passport"
They said "That's no good. It doesn't have your address on."

Incidentally, nor would the ID card.

To tell the truth, the only people who make a great issue about asylum seekers are the Daily Express, the Daily Mail and my mother-in-law (fascists all). After all, I'm descended from immigrants myself (Dutch, Romany and *choke* Scots) blood taint my otherwise pure Derbyshire/Angle/Saxon/Jute/Isini/Viking/Duck.

marc71178 · 13-11-2003, 03:58 PM

Personally I'm in favour of them if they can replace every other bit of info in one (Passport, Driving License, NI card etc.)

Technology should enable that to happen IMO.

Langeveldt · 13-11-2003, 04:07 PM

Ive got no problem with carrying around an identity card, if it makes illegal activities harder, and stamps out on the illegal immigration problem, then i dont see how it can cause any harm...

Neil Pickup · 13-11-2003, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Langeveldt
If it makes illegal activities harder, and stamps out on the illegal immigration problem, then i dont see how it can cause any harm...

Thing is, I'm yet to be convinced it will do either.

Kimbo · 13-11-2003, 06:46 PM

Sounds like England could use some more female cricketers to immigrate. I think I can organise that.

13-11-2003, 01:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
LankanPrince School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK Posts: 131	Identity cards in the UK OK what do you people think of UK home secretary David Blunkett's proposal to introduce identity cards to the UK? He may have made some idiotic comments in his time but this a damn good idea. I think that people who have nothing to hide can enjoy this proposal as it better protects the society from the wrongdoers in the society. People can enjoy the benefits which they deserve. It should also help root out the unnecessary illegal asylum seekers in the UK. I can appreciate that people seek asylum if they are genuinely being persecuted in their country. But some of the 'economic' illegal asylum seekers give a bad stereotypical impression of the UK's ethnic communities to the English. If they are identified more effectively it should help send them back to their native countries and make Britain better for everyone. I may be a foreigner to the UK but I can understand English peoples' concerns about asylum seekers having priority for areas such as housing. After all they are the original people in this country and they deserve better. __________________ Rudeboy master of controversy Supporting the Sri Lankan boyz

13-11-2003, 01:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	Technically, we're not the original people in this county. I believe that was the Neanderthals and they're long dead, most of us are descended from Roman/Scandinavian/Angles/Saxon/Norman/Jute invaders around 700-2100 years ago :P I'm in opposition to ID cards because there is such potential for abuse of information - they will include fingerprints and Iris recognition. And as for "uncopiable"? Nothing is uncopiable. I feel the government are trying to find some way out of the asylum hole they keep on digging by trying to pander to both left- and right- wing sensibilities at the same time with the resultant complete mess. FACT - Birth rate is falling and people are living longer FACT - Dependency ratio is sky-rocketing FACT - We then have less people to pay for more FACT - There are two ways to get more people FACT - Immigrants and Births FACT - We've just ruled out the latter So the criminalisation and hype and general victimisation, persecution and blame of immigrants really doesn't help too much, does it? __________________ MSN Messenger: minardineil2000 at hotmail dot com \| AAAS Chairman CricketWeb Black \| CricketWeb XI Captain ClarkeWatch: We're Watching Rikki - Are You? Up The Grecians - Exeter City FC Completing the Square: My Cricket Web Blog Last edited by Neil Pickup; 13-11-2003 at 01:53 PM.

13-11-2003, 01:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	Well people can already find out everything they need to know about me on my Driving Liscence... My Address My Age My Name The Fact I Can Drive My Nationality (although it does not show I have dual-nationality) I'm not opposed to it, although I already have a CitizenCard which is National Proof of Age. Anyway if they sorted this ID card out we would all have to pay for it I bet... __________________ "Age is just a stupid number" 20...that's a rather big number :(:(:(

13-11-2003, 03:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
luckyeddie Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Derby, England Posts: 17,629	The talk is that it will be a voluntary scheme for which you will have to pay for the privilege (about 40 pounds). Amazingly enough, a passport isn't classified as proof of identity according to at least one high street store. Mrs LE applied for a storecard several months ago (which came through ok) then last week she went in to the store in question to buy something. They said "It isn't activated" She said "Activate the damned thing then" Thay said "Have you proof of identity?" She said "Here's my passport" They said "That's no good. It doesn't have your address on." Incidentally, nor would the ID card. To tell the truth, the only people who make a great issue about asylum seekers are the Daily Express, the Daily Mail and my mother-in-law (fascists all). After all, I'm descended from immigrants myself (Dutch, Romany and choke Scots) blood taint my otherwise pure Derbyshire/Angle/Saxon/Jute/Isini/Viking/Duck. __________________ Nigel Clough's Black and White Army, beating Forest away with 10 men

13-11-2003, 03:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	Personally I'm in favour of them if they can replace every other bit of info in one (Passport, Driving License, NI card etc.) Technology should enable that to happen IMO. __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

13-11-2003, 06:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kimbo International Debutant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: london Posts: 2,835	Sounds like England could use some more female cricketers to immigrate. I think I can organise that. __________________ life's a gift thats why they call it the present

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