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    Investigation: AO-2013-085 - TAWS alert involving ATR?GIE Avions de Transport Régional ATR72-212A, VH-FVR, near Moranbah Airport, Queensland on 15 May 2013

    NFI whether this was a passenger flight but descending to circuit height then dropping relatively rapidly to < 500' on downwind then back up to 950' before turning onto base (with warnings going off), that's real uncomfortable for anyone. If the approach looks that bad, usually you go-around and one feels that's what the captain should have done here. Just another data point to consider in your decisions for whom to fly with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    What is the best airline to fly to Europe with?

    Price not a factor btw.
    my nomination is Cyprus airways.
    Don't know about their long haul so can't comment on that but the best for flying around europe.
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    why dont they make planes like this



    i reckon with a bit smaller spaces you could fit the same number of people and youd be able to lie down
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    there is that whole safety thing to consider too
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    thats a facade. what the **** is a lap belt going to do for you. about the only use is to stop you hitting your head on the roof during turbulence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvelocity View Post
    why dont they make planes like this



    i reckon with a bit smaller spaces you could fit the same number of people and youd be able to lie down
    You should start up your own airline, tell them to make your planes like that and let the consumers vote with their wallets IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uvelocity View Post
    thats a facade. what the **** is a lap belt going to do for you. about the only use is to stop you hitting your head on the roof during turbulence.
    or during a hard crash landing.

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    um, not really sparkeh. anyway in regard to my sadly un-patented design, no more so than the 3 ply tissue required to be worn at all times upon the passenger's upper chest during flight or when instructed to by crew in anticipation of crash landing.

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    Not a great day for those flying out of Perth with Cobham Aviation this morning. Worst part is they were predominantly fly in fly out passengers and will be back on planes again very shortly - if not already.

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    Nicely handled by the crew, thankfully a minor affair and Cobham have been around a long time so I doubt this is their first engine blah. If anything, it's re-assuring knowing total pro's are at the pointy end of their 146's.

    A pretty pic people might not have seen on the news:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Nicely handled by the crew, thankfully a minor affair and Cobham have been around a long time so I doubt this is their first engine blah. If anything, it's re-assuring knowing total pro's are at the pointy end of their 146's.

    A pretty pic people might not have seen on the news:

    Not the sort of thing you'd prefer to see out your window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Qantas 737 now included in Mildura fog incident inquiry | Plane Talking

    Anyone else been following this? What's giving it legs is not that airliners were diverted to Mildura but that they were diverted and declared fuel emergencies*. Yes it's been an unusually foggy season and the fog was not forecast when the flights left Brisbane but even then, this probably should not have happened. Legally for bug-smashing, you're supposed to have enough to get you to where you're going, enough for a planned diversion somewhere (fixed reserve) then enough 'just in case' (variable reserve) which translates to roughly 45 mins of flying. I'm sure there are additional amounts required in airlines for taxiing, holding, speed limitations, etc.

    Have no doubt Virgin and QANTAS were legal and they will likely use the unforecast fog defence but the perception is really why, in a 1st world country without any capability to land in serious fog anywhere**, airlines don't just carry a bit more in case they need to divert more than once or, say, if there's a bit more fog around than usual.

    Rumours abound on a pilot forum I frequent which have captn's and FO's as members from these airlines (including some who drove these flights) that they were looking around for flat spots to put the jet down 'just in case' after discovering that Adelaide, Parafield and Edinburgh were socked-in and Mildura was quite foggy itself. There are, in fact, questions whether the approach which put the planes down was strictly legal, whether the pilots had their hands forced by their impending critical fuel emergency. As widely reported, passengers were asked to brace so one wonders if they pilots were thinking it had to be this time or a hill-side somewhere, bugger the fog. Whatever the decision, had the plane been in possession of enough juice to go back to Brisbane, you reckon they'd have even considered a possibly illegal landing in marginal conditions? Hell no, back we go.

    There's been some ruction about Virgin and QANTAS' new fuel policies and the perception is that, in the absence of serious ILS in this country, they should have enough to get to where they're going, try a landing or two and then go back from whence they came and still have enough in reserve for a couple of attempts if weather has closed in where they came from.

    Now, it's given that pilots are possibly more prone to hyperbole than others but the ATSB are investigating and that they've just added a QANTAS flight to the inquiry is some cause for alarm. A low-cost carrier might be expected to be a bit tight with it's fuel but QANTAS doing the same comes as a bit of a shock to most with knowledge of the area. See how this one pans out but I'll give the ATSB credit for being hot on it. After the kicking they got a couple of weeks ago, good to see.

    *read: "I'm not about to crash due to running out of fuel but please, I must land or in an uncomfortably short period of time I will begin to get quite worried. In any case, I must land here."
    ** Tulla has a commissioned a Cat IIIa system but it's not operational yet and not enough to do a fully automatic landing in really thick fog anyway
    Two years later, an update. Not a great one.

    More evasiveness by ATSB over two jet Mildura fog crisis | Plane Talking

    Some more analysis from learned folk.

    The search for investigative probity.

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