Tailstrike and runway overrun
Melbourne Airport, Victoria
20 March 2009
Given the amount of risk involved many companies don't want to touch engine maintenance with a 60 ft pole.
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Even then, a darker problem is emerging with respect to automation. In Boeing-like systems, the AP does absolutely nothing without the say-so of the pilots. Airbus systems, different kettle of fish. If the pilot does something that the system detects could put the plane in a dangerous state, it'll over-ride the pilots. Several examples where this has provably crashed planes exist (possibly could include AF296 depending on who you believe) but it's possible that it caused the incident with the QANTAS plane en-route to Perth which lost 1000ft. Probably played a role in AF447 too.
I mean, if the system's getting the right info, all's well but if not, it might go haywire. Can't imagine how tough that would be to deal with let alone if the plane then stops you from doing anything about it.
Yeah I've talked to a few (granted, American) pilots/mechanics and a lot of them say "Airbus = scarebus" for that exact reason, you have no idea what the ****ing plane is going to do sometimes.
Last edited by Spark; 15-12-2011 at 08:45 PM.
It's fair that you point out they're American, fair bit of xenophobia involved "If it's not Boeing, I ain't going", etc., made worse that the Airbus is French (mon dieu!). AA587's crash didn't help matters either, several AA pilots utterly refused to get type-rated for Airbus's in response and went public.
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Flying at night by itself is pretty scary sometimes. Can only imagine the terror they went through being over water at night, plane pitching and rolling at will with cockpit alarms going nuts.
Last edited by Top_Cat; 16-12-2011 at 03:48 PM.
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Bloody Emirates again..... This from two days ago.
Will be interesting to see whether the ATSB investigates, especially in light of the recently released report from the tailstrike a couple of years back.
Last edited by Top_Cat; 08-01-2012 at 01:48 AM.
It was a long, long time ago that I read it though, would be impossible to dig up now.
As for the above - different issue, isn't it? Runway incursions and the like the curse of almost all big airports, I think.
Last edited by Spark; 08-01-2012 at 02:01 AM.
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