Lockheed Martin completes first UK F-35

Agent Nationaux · 23-11-2011, 04:32 PM

Excellent News this. The UK is finally going to get these toys. Of course they are not as good as the F-22 but stealth is stealth.

Lockheed Completes First U.K. Joint Strike Fighter - Defense News

Burgey · 23-11-2011, 04:53 PM

We are gettnig these things too and they are a complete bloody waste of money. We can't get access to the source codes as the Americans keep it within their purview, they are of limited range, and are nothing on the fighters the Indonesians have.

They should, however, be able to see off New Zealand.

Agent Nationaux · 23-11-2011, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

We are gettnig these things too and they are a complete bloody waste of money. We can't get access to the source codes as the Americans keep it within their purview, they are of limited range, and are nothing on the fighters the Indonesians have.

They should, however, be able to see off New Zealand.

Agent Nationaux · 23-11-2011, 05:00 PM

The Americans should provide the source codes to an ally like Australia. There shouldn't be any fear of them being handed over to the Chinese by the Aussies.

Burgey · 23-11-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux

The Indonesians, who because of their size and proximity are realistically the only strategic threat to Australia, are armed with either the latest MIGs or Sukhois, which are apparently comparable to the F22 Raptor, itself a far superior platform to the F35.

By strategic threat, I don't mean they have any intentions, rather that's where the ADF see any potential threat coming from - the north (basically because there's bugger all to the south and west, and the Kiwis are feisty but friendly

Agent Nationaux · 23-11-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

The Indonesians, who because of their size and proximity are realistically the only strategic threat to Australia, are armed with either the latest MIGs or Sukhois, which are apparently comparable to the F22 Raptor, itself a far superior platform to the F35.

By strategic threat, I don't mean they have any intentions, rather that's where the ADF see any potential threat coming from - the north (basically because there's bugger all to the south and west, and the Kiwis are feisty but friendly

You are joking right. Indonesia has Flankers and Falcons, which are no way near as good as the F35. The F35 is a 5th gen stealth fighter, whereas the Flankers and Falcons the Indonesians have are 4th gen.

The fight is over for the Su-30 or the F-16 before it even begins. The F-35 will blast them out of the sky before they can even detect it.

Top_Cat · 23-11-2011, 05:18 PM

Fair to say these guys aren't fans of the JSF.

RAAF vs F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter

I met Carlo and Peter a few years ago, feisty couple of blokes. Liked them a lot, though.

Burgey · 23-11-2011, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux

You are joking right. Indonesia has Flankers and Falcons, which are no way near as good as the F35. The F35 is a 5th gen stealth fighter, whereas the Flankers and Falcons the Indonesians have are 4th gen.

The fight is over for the Su-30 or the F-16 before it even begins. The F-35 will blast them out of the sky before they can even detect it.

Look, I'm only going on the reports I've read that the RAAF is mightily pissed off at this thing and reckons it's no good, as Corey has linked above.

They should have bought Raptors if the Yanks would have given them to us. Sexeh things they are.

Agent Nationaux · 23-11-2011, 06:00 PM

Yeah the raptors are the sexiest and the best but the Americans would never part with them to anyone, not even to their best pal Isreal.

Spark · 23-11-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

We are gettnig these things too and they are a complete bloody waste of money. We can't get access to the source codes as the Americans keep it within their purview, they are of limited range, and are nothing on the fighters the Indonesians have.

They should, however, be able to see off New Zealand.

Stealth, though.

silentstriker · 23-11-2011, 07:37 PM

Why would you need either? For the type of wars and conflicts that occur in the foreseeable future, it doesn't much matter what generation of fighter planes you have.

Spark · 23-11-2011, 07:51 PM

It's pretty hard to fight something you can't see.

Granted Russia and China are moving fast towards their own stealth jets.

silentstriker · 23-11-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark

It's pretty hard to fight something you can't see.

Granted Russia and China are moving fast towards their own stealth jets.

My point is that you likely wont be getting into dogfights with Russia and China.

smalishah84 · 23-11-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

The Indonesians, who because of their size and proximity are realistically the only strategic threat to Australia, are armed with either the latest MIGs or Sukhois, which are apparently comparable to the F22 Raptor, itself a far superior platform to the F35.)

Really? Russian technology has kept up with the Americans all these years?

Burgey · 23-11-2011, 08:52 PM

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Really? Russian technology has kept up with the Americans all these years?

The Russians have a new jet, the name of which I don't know, which is apparently comparable to the Raptor.

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