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    What is this 'defense' you guys are talking of?

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    NZ is our defence....from plate tectonics.

    EDIT: Not surprised a Kiwi wouldn't know what defence looked like.
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    Yeah, we broke our only flying machine yesterday.

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    That was some bloody scary footage for so many reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    NZ is our defence....from plate tectonics.

    EDIT: Not surprised a Kiwi wouldn't know what defence looked like.
    Wtf are you on? We lead the way in military innovation, ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Care to elaborate?
    Just based on what a defence analyst wrote

    Yes. There is a very interesting dynamic occurring between India and China. The Chinese have been screwing India strategically for 40 years. They have successfully encircled India, broken the NPT to get a nuclear Pakistan on their western flank, made Burma a Chinese satrapy, made serious economic and political inroads into Sri Lanka and Bangladesh etc etc.
    The Indians are not doing effective countermoves against this encirclement. They are quickly deepening their relationship with the USA (Thanks to George W Bush, who saw this, immediately understood what it meant, and immediately engaged them at a very serious and very senior level) and with quiet US assistance are engaging very closely with Vietnam. This has hugely pissed Beijing off. They had India skinned. Now India is successfully decoupling Sri Lanka from China, breaking up their wooing of Oman and the Emirates, and getting much closer to Vietnam.

    He also seems to think that 'stealth' is man on the street type talk with regards to dogfights. It's all about radar cross section reduction (RSCR) and spotting an enemy first and taking them out. Within Visual Range (WVR) is obsolete in his eyes which is why Aus should get F-35 capability given F-22 is off limits. He said Australia could have bought into F-22 but the yanks said we could never afford the OPEX. Fly it through rain and you basically have to rebuild the outside to keep the (RSCR) in tact which costs a fortune as it's a sepcialist job and absolutely top secret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Wtf are you on? We lead the way in military innovation, ****.

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    Ewe, sir, are crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Indonesia was projected to have 50 Su-27's by 2010. Same generation as the Eurofighter and one of the reasons why we have the new F/A18's which were flown here a few months back.
    The Eurofighter is a 4+ Gen fighter, whereas the Su-27 is a 4th gen fighter. There is a big difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Both of those are true and obviously I'm not saying a carrier is needed but a land invasion of Australia would not really work whether you guys had a carrier, a fifth generation fighter or only war canoes from a couple thousand years ago - as long as it has the capability to create nuclear weapons. Obviously you'd need a way to deliver that - by missile, ship, submarine, or airplane so I take your point there about potentially needing an airplane to deliver that cargo. A carriers main purpose would be to project aerial power to any part of the world in addition to doing things that Australia might want to do, like set up a blockade or even launch air sorties.

    I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea but IMO a carrier would fulfill the requirements of being a deterrent, a force projector, and even as a fighting force against Indonesia more so than a bunch of airplanes. My guess is that a carrier might cost something like the same as maybe 50 planes? I'd personally rather have that plus an airplane one generation older than a newer generation fighter plane. Much more versatile. And incidentally, if it did come to that, a better method to stop an Indonesian landing force (they'd have to secure the sea lanes to do that anyway ).
    Australia isn't interested in being a navel force projector. It's military strategy is defend it's coastline and for that its fleet consisting of frigates and submarines is reliable to see off any future threat.

    An aircraft carrier is only useful for the purpose of becoming a blue water navy. Something which both India and China are interested in.

    Regarding defence, Australia would be more suited to buy more SAM's.
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    Yeah, look, it gives me a pain deep inside my uterus to admit it, but it's Ajmal until such time as we get a working throwing law again.
    Never in a million years would I have thought Brumby to admit this!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    The Eurofighter is a 4+ Gen fighter, whereas the Su-27 is a 4th gen fighter. There is a big difference.
    Doubt it's decisive but it depends on which Su-27's Indonesia bought too. Plenty of argument over the classifications anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    Australia isn't interested in being a navel force projector. .
    Yes Australia actually want to be a below the navel force projector
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Doubt it's decisive but it depends on which Su-27's Indonesia bought too. Plenty of argument over the classifications anyway.
    Top current/near future fighters IMO

    F-22 > T-50 = J-20 > F-35 > Eurofighter = Rafale = F-15 SE = F-18E/F = SU-35 = MIG-35 = F-16 E/F

    The rest aren't as good, including SU-27. SU-30 might be a contender, but I seriously doubt that it will win in a dog-fight between the above mentioned fighters.

    F-35 probably isn't as good in other areas as the 4++ gen planes above (Eurofighter etc) but it's better IMO because of stealth.

    F-35 is supposed to be a replacement for the F-16's in the USAF. Bearing that in mind I don't think the US will replace their large fleet of reliable F-16's with a bird that doesn't work due to the rain. In fact, I think they have sorted that problem out already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    You are joking right. Indonesia has Flankers and Falcons, which are no way near as good as the F35. The F35 is a 5th gen stealth fighter, whereas the Flankers and Falcons the Indonesians have are 4th gen.

    The fight is over for the Su-30 or the F-16 before it even begins. The F-35 will blast them out of the sky before they can even detect it.
    Always thought Russian jets were superior to those of U.S.

    F-35 I heard about when Canada was signing the deal to buy them and I heard a lot of criticism by the Canadian experts. They said that F-35 is supposed to be an all in one aircraft but the problem is none of the futures which an F35 has are setting a new benchmark, its like taking an F22 adding to it the F16, F15, F18 and stealth capability to make the F35...

    Anyways thats what I heard I am no geek to understand this stuff....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    The Russians have a new jet, the name of which I don't know, which is apparently comparable to the Raptor.
    Me too, I heard about them before.....but that is why we have youtube.

    Russian T-50s 5th Generation Aircraft.....Will smoke any jet any day...

    Amazing Russian stealth Jet fighter T-50 5th Generation - YouTube


    China's 5th generation Jet Stealth J20 --- I have heard stories that PAF has also ordered these jets and should have 10-15 of them by 2014...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLtpOpg36I
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    Jets are an irrelevance to the countries that can afford them in the nuclear age.
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