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[Cevno]

Originally Posted by Teja.

Narendra Modi wants a nation-wide ban on cow slaughter with a seven year sentence attached. Absolute lunacy.

Such a law has already been passed in Gujarat in 2011. He, for those not playing at home, is a probable for being the next Prime Minister of the country, ftr.

My head hurts a little.

Yeah, he is trying to come to the centre from being a Hindu Hriday samrat and what not now. Far from convinced though.

As for Cow Slaughter ban that is unlikely to pass beyond respective states tbh, as BJP won't come to power on it's own, let alone get a 2/3rd majority.

[shankar]

Originally Posted by Cevno

Yeah, he is trying to come to the centre from being a Hindu Hriday samrat and what not now.

Not really. Such a move (on cow slaughter i.e.) would be quite atypical for him. His policies have been more along the lines of this: 80 temples demolished in Modi's capital in drive against illegal encroachment

[Cevno]

UPA government searches for a tamer Comptroller and Auditor General after Vinod Rai : North, News - India Today

[Cevno]

AgustaWestland deal: Finmeccanica CEO Giuseppe Orsi arrested for paying bribes to sell choppers to India

Big big news this coming from Italy. Good to see them acting atleast. Could be the next Bofors ?

[Cevno]

AgustaWestland deal: Finmeccanica CEO Giuseppe Orsi arrested for paying bribes to sell choppers to India

Disgusting collusion.

[8ankitj]

Amateurish but drives home the point. India is tharki (pervert)

Tharki India by Manpreet dhami - YouTube

[smalishah84]

India finances trouble in Pakistan: Hagel | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

You have to admire the Indians. They are much more subtle

[Cevno]

Ambassador breaks vow to Supreme Court on Italian marines case, drives row - Indian Express

Freaking Dodgy Italians.

Screw Diplomatic immunity. SC has issued the ambassador a notice now.

[Гурин]

Originally Posted by Cevno

Ambassador breaks vow to Supreme Court on Italian marines case, drives row - Indian Express

Freaking Dodgy Italians.

Screw Diplomatic immunity. SC has issued the ambassador a notice now.

Much difficult issue, on a lot of fronts. This question is mainly being used as a red herring by our right wing parties*, who claim that it was a violation of international treaties to arrest them in India for something that happened in international waters (a claim that India disputes). Italy has called for an international neutral arbiter also because doesn't trust the indian judiciary system, many consider impossible to wait 14 months for the court only to decide the competences (an ironic remark coming out of a country with one of the worst and slower judiciary systems in the world, but it should not be discredited only because of that).

Also it has been said around here that what happened with Finmeccanica* has something to do with this decision. Another word is also that, behind closed doors, India and Italy have already reached a compromise, and this is just some theater they are doing for their own population. Unfortunately this might well have happened, with two countries where corruption and officials putting themselves ahead of the country isn't something completely unheard of (altough Kerala fares pretty well in this department).


*it would be really complicated now to explain it all, but the incident happened exactly at one of the lowest point of the nationalist parties here, and also Orsi, Finmeccanica's arrested CEO, is a man really close to Berlusconi.

[8ankitj]

Pakistan condemns Afzal Guru's hanging. I don't get on what grounds. Afzal was an Indian militant captured in India. It has got nothing to do with Pakistan at all.

It's generally very sad to see how much protestation has happened in Kashmir valley over Afzal. I know and understand the issues facing the Kashmiris, but Afzal was ultimately played part in a terrorist attack that took life of many innocents. How can he be representative of the masses in the valley even for those seeking independence?

[smalishah84]

the pakistan parliament are just a bunch of ****s you have to give them that......

On March 16th (the day this govt's term ends) the people are celebrating youm-e-nijat in pakistan (the day of riddance)

[Cevno]

Originally Posted by Гурин

Much difficult issue, on a lot of fronts. This question is mainly being used as a red herring by our right wing parties*, who claim that it was a violation of international treaties to arrest them in India for something that happened in international waters (a claim that India disputes). Italy has called for an international neutral arbiter also because doesn't trust the indian judiciary system, many consider impossible to wait 14 months for the court only to decide the competences (an ironic remark coming out of a country with one of the worst and slower judiciary systems in the world, but it should not be discredited only because of that).

Also it has been said around here that what happened with Finmeccanica* has something to do with this decision. Another word is also that, behind closed doors, India and Italy have already reached a compromise, and this is just some theater they are doing for their own population. Unfortunately this might well have happened, with two countries where corruption and officials putting themselves ahead of the country isn't something completely unheard of (altough Kerala fares pretty well in this department).


*it would be really complicated now to explain it all, but the incident happened exactly at one of the lowest point of the nationalist parties here, and also Orsi, Finmeccanica's arrested CEO, is a man really close to Berlusconi.

That all i understand and the Indian judicial system is slow while the incident disputed from both sides, but what the Italian government has done is almost a fraud and a strict no in global diplomacy even among enemy nations let alone friendly ones.

They gave a falsified assurance in the supreme court of India that they will return and can't vote abroad and the courts in good faith let them go for the 2nd time you could say a bit naively. Now they are saying that they won't return which is basically state sponsored absconding by any standards and doesn't look good for Italy all around.

And correct me if i am wrong this is a Caretaker government in Italy doing this too ? Which makes it even more bizarre. Could cause a full scale diplomatic crisis if there's no deal in background as you say which i am not sure is likely, because this Indian government probably wants to suppress facts about Finamerica rather than want them out.

It suits the Indian government to escalate tensions now, break off some agreements with italy and then claim Italy is not co-operating in Finamerica case. And if they want now they can detain the ambassador too as he has submitted to Indian jurisdiction by affidavit and contempt case isn't a criminal case. There's a precedence to this in USA too, so would be interesting now what the Supreme court and the government does. Both are getting a lot of flak for being respectively naive and complicit in this too.

Also, matters with Italy are always politically sensitive in India right now as the politician heading the ruling alliance is of Italian origin in Sonia Gandhi so the opposition likes to hit there with elections coming soon.

[Cevno]

Originally Posted by 8ankitj

Pakistan condemns Afzal Guru's hanging. I don't get on what grounds. Afzal was an Indian militant captured in India. It has got nothing to do with Pakistan at all.

Elections coming in Pakistan so they are trying to get mileage of the Old bogey again, if they can.

It's generally very sad to see how much protestation has happened in Kashmir valley over Afzal. I know and understand the issues facing the Kashmiris, but Afzal was ultimately played part in a terrorist attack that took life of many innocents. How can he be representative of the masses in the valley even for those seeking independence?

There hasn't been as much protestation as i expected tbh. Not even as much as 2 years ago when tensions rose in the Valley.

Don't think this is peculiar to Kashmir either. See Beant Singh's killer and his case in Punjab or Rajiv Gandhi's killers in Tamil Nadu. These terrorist attacks when they get associated with regional or political issues, allows cheap political parties to fan flames and tell people how they are being discriminated against etc...

Also, the long delay in both the trial and also the hanging are responsible too as when the incident itself wanes into history it becomes easier to fan such flames and also gives more time. Should be even handed and if you have death penalty, then do it quickly in the rarest of rare cases.

[8ankitj]

You're right. It's not unique to Kashmir. I don't know if I would blame political parties however. I think it just points to a sad truth that the common public at the ground level doesn't think attacking innocents is an illegitimate way of fighting for a cause unlike those who engage in intellectual discourse over these issues. They seem to believe that cause justifies means, even the terror attacks. We probably give too much credit to the common man.

[ganeshran]

Pakistani politicians are notorious for exploiting both religion and the rivalry against India for political gains and to deflect blame from their own poor performance.

Indian politicans do that as well, but on a much lower scale.