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    On the gangrape in Delhi and the attitude towards women in India, here is what I wrote on my FB page

    - on 31st December 2012

    Sharm hum ko magar nah in aati ...
    (Translation : and yet we continue to be completely shameless)

    Gangrape or just rape is not the only issue at stake at what is unfolding in our "great" Bharatvarsh in the last couple of weeks. It is the entire gamut of how we treat girls and women in our midst, in our homes. Our daughters, daughters-in-law and sisters are being treated as third class citizens by our own sons, sons-in-law and brothers-in-law and instead of standing by their side, making them feel strong and giving them the strength to fight the injustice perpetrated upon them, we take refuge in our shameless pandering to 'biradari' (society) concerns. We are so worried about upsetting the boat of this sinful log-kya-kahenge (what will the people say) attitude that we force these poor girls to go back to their hellish lives with platitudes that I am ashamed to mouth.

    Look around you in your own house, in the houses of your friends and relatives and see how we are a party to this shameful degradation of human beings only because they belong to a particular gender and ask yourself if you could not do more.

    What stops you from speaking up ? What stops you from boycotting the sons, sons-in-law and brothers-in-law? What stops you from saying to these hapless girls, "I am with you and will stand by you no matter what".

    If you do not have the balls to do so then stop tweeting and sharing messages on Facebook and other social media showing concern for what is happening in our "mahan" nation. Stop pretending to be concerned about strangers who you will never meet and paying lip service to standing by these girls if you do not have the guts to stand by those around you who are suffering from ill treatment at the hands of the men in their lives.

    Stop "giving away" your daughters in "Kanya-daan" who do you think you are to give away another human being as alms?

    Stop telling your daughters that they now belong to another. These are not your belongings you are handing over to someone else dammit.

    Stop asking your girls to "adopt"/"co-operate" in the face of inhuman treatment. If you are not prepared to genuinely treat your sons and daughters equally and your daughters in law just as you treat your sons in law then shut up and stop paying lip service to the girl who was gangraped in Delhi for you don't really understand where the problem originates.

    It originates in our homes and in those of our near and dear ones. There are those in my close family who are guilty of these sins and I am ashamed of being related to them and I would be ashamed of myself if I was not willing to say this to their faces - and I do.

    and on 9th Jan 2013

    NO. It has nothing to do with honour . . .

    . . . of your husband, your father or your family . . . gangrape and rape in general are terrible, terrible things to happen to anyone but those who think it is about the person's her family's or the wider 'biradari' (community)'s honour are not just so very wrong, they are part of the problem or at least part of the failure to find a solution to this horrible disease that ails our men and our society because of which a woman is raped in India every 40 minutes !!

    Thirty-three years ago a minor was gang-raped in Bombay and this is what she has to say about it today when she is in her 50th year. Read the whole of it for this is an eye opener for many amongst us . . .


    I Was Wounded; My Honour Wasn't

    and this is what she had written three decades ago . . .

    "I fought for my life and won

    and I have noting to add except that all of us, and I mean ALL INDIANS, are squarely to blame for the sinful attitude towards women in our country and paying lip service to rape victims does not wash away our guilt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    On the gangrape in Delhi and the attitude towards women in India, here is what I wrote on my FB page

    - on 31st December 2012

    [INDENT]Sharm hum ko magar nah in aati ... . . .

    and on 9th Jan 2013

    NO. It has nothing to do with honour . . .

    and today . . .

    My new year resolutions . . .

    - I will not visit homes of family members and friends where I know the wife/daughter/daughter-in-law is subjected to abuse or mal-treatment

    -I will not maintain relations with any man who physically abuses his wife and I become aware of it

    - I will have nothing to do with a person/persons who, I know, have aborted a child only because it was a female

    - If a member of my family demands dowry I shall cut off all social contact with him/her

    This is just passive action but it is the least I can do. Talking about it for decades hasn't done anything except making me feel good about my stance. I realise this won't do so the least I can do is to remove my personal guilt by association from now on. . . and if this cuts me off from some of my close family and friends, so be it . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    and today . . .

    My new year resolutions . . .

    - I will not visit homes of family members and friends where I know the wife/daughter/daughter-in-law is subjected to abuse or mal-treatment

    -I will not maintain relations with any man who physically abuses his wife and I become aware of it

    - I will have nothing to do with a person/persons who, I know, have aborted a child only because it was a female

    - If a member of my family demands dowry I shall cut off all social contact with him/her

    This is just passive action but it is the least I can do. Talking about it for decades hasn't done anything except making me feel good about my stance. I realise this won't do so the least I can do is to remove my personal guilt by association from now on. . . and if this cuts me off from some of my close family and friends, so be it . . .
    Super-stuff SJS! Keep it up! It takes courage and will-power to take such a stand in your personal life.

    You know about two years ago one office colleague of mine came to the office with sweets one day. He told us that he became father of a girl child. But he was clearly unhappy. When we went to congratulate him he said 'arey itna badhai dene ka kya hua? ladki hi to hui hai, ladka to nahi!' (Roughly translated to - 'Why are you guys so happy and congratulating me so much? Don't get overwhelmed - it's only a girl, and not a boy!'

    I was completely shocked not only to hear this, but to see that none else in our group seemed shocked at the statement made by that so-called educated gentleman. That day I thought that male chauvinism is so deep rooted even among some of the educated youth class in our country that's a matter of shame. Today I don't know how that man is doing, or what happened to his baby. Probably he would behave like a normal father. The worst thing about all this is - he mightn't have committed a crime by the books of the law, but dirt is in his mind. And there are many like him in our society.
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    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

    Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta


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    Congressmen are thanking and congratulating Sonia Gandhi for appointing her son to the post. LOL at such sycophancy.

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    seriously......this dynastic politics is so prevalent in the SC. Well in india it is at least only the Nehru lineage. Also in Bangladesh you have hasina wajid.

    In Pakistan we have the Sharifs and the Bhuttos.

    Now the 3rd generation of bhuttos is coming with the entry of Bilawal. Also the next generation of sharifs is ready to take on the mantle after nawaz sharif.


    So blood annoying

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    seriously......this dynastic politics is so prevalent in the SC. Well in india it is at least only the Nehru lineage. Also in Bangladesh you have hasina wajid.

    In Pakistan we have the Sharifs and the Bhuttos.

    Now the 3rd generation of bhuttos is coming with the entry of Bilawal. Also the next generation of sharifs is ready to take on the mantle after nawaz sharif.


    So blood annoying
    It's in so many parties in India. Even in Regional parties. Sukhbir Badal to Stalin to Omar Abdullah to Akhilesh Yadav etc.. Gandhi/Nehru family led the way at the center though.


    And with Regards to Rahul Gandhi, he has been in politics 10 years and done **** all. Strikes me as dumb and is absent and AWOL for most of the time (Probably abroad). Would rather make Virat Kohli the PM than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    It's in so many parties in India. Even in Regional parties. Sukhbir Badal to Stalin to Omar Abdullah to Akhilesh Yadav etc.. Gandhi/Nehru family led the way at the center though.


    And with Regards to Rahul Gandhi, he has been in politics 10 years and done **** all. Strikes me as dumb and is absent and AWOL for most of the time (Probably abroad). Would rather make Virat Kohli the PM than him.

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    Yeah, Rahul G is plain dumb. Never heard him express his views on any substantive issue like FDI, subsidies, foreign policy etc. Just makes empty rhetorics that belongs in 1970's socialist India. He is also reluctant to take important roles, and this seems thrust upon him. Economist ripped into him in this article: India's Gandhi family: The Rahul problem | The Economist

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    But he has long refused to take on a responsible position, preferring to work on reorganising Congress’s youth wing, and leading regional election efforts, both with generally poor results. The problem is that Mr Gandhi has so far shown no particular aptitude as a politician, nor even sufficient hunger for the job. He is shy, reluctant to speak to journalists, biographers, potential allies or foes, nor even to raise his voice in parliament. Nobody really knows what he is capable of, nor what he wishes to do should he ever attain power and responsibility. The suspicion is growing that Mr Gandhi himself does not know.

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    well sounds like we have two wonderful choices for pm in the next election....rahul gandhi vs narendra modi! this is when one feels so proud of the true democracy that india is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    It's in so many parties in India. Even in Regional parties. Sukhbir Badal to Stalin to Omar Abdullah to Akhilesh Yadav etc.. Gandhi/Nehru family led the way at the center though.


    And with Regards to Rahul Gandhi, he has been in politics 10 years and done **** all. Strikes me as dumb and is absent and AWOL for most of the time (Probably abroad). Would rather make Virat Kohli the PM than him.
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    Good stuff SJS. Very admirable.

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    Rahul Gandhi quite in the news after being declared congress no2

    Rahul says power is poison, but he

    LOL Rahul.......at least try to sound a little genuine

    "Mr Gandhi recalled that as a little boy, “he loved to play badminton. I loved it because it gave me balance in this complicated world. I was taught how to play in my grandmother’s house by two policemen who protected my grandmother as my friends.

    “Then one day they killed my grandmother and took away the balance from my life. I felt like I had not felt before.”
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    A female colleague of mine came to India alone for work in November and then went to Agra to visit Taj Mahal all on her own. I have to say I was **** scared for her. Gave her quite a few tips on how to avoid pesky guides and souvenir sellers. At the end, she did just fine. Brave woman I say.

    EDIT: But I did not think much of possibility of sexual harassment back then since it was before the Delhi incident which has shaken me up (and I suspect lot of others) about women safety on our streets.
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