Who do you support btw Joe, or like to be the PM / in power?
Who do you support btw Joe, or like to be the PM / in power?
Guys, you should see what they're saying about India in the Pakistan politics thread!!!
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"Hope is the fuel of progress and fear is the prison in which you put yourself" - Tony Benn
#408. Sixty three not out forever.
I disagree with you that the next logical step for him is to enter the traditional politics that is to form a political party and start contesting elections. I don't have a problem if he does so, and do not have a problem if he does not do it either. It is his choice. I am not going to invalidate his movement by the choice he makes. As a citizen of India he has every right to do what he is doing and in fact these are the same methods that helped India gain its independence. Gandhi never contested an election, are we going to call his movements as non-political ?
And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
He isn't saying do what he says on every issue, but in this issue where it is pretty hard for any party or politician to openly oppose the cause, even if the corrupt elements want the status quo to stay and are trying to undermine discreetly.
Every party every time says we want to fight corruption, but never does much to that respect in terms of institutionalized reforms. Nobody says we want corruption, but what this movement has done is ensured that corruption has become a national issue now and one on which people may vote on too, as it wasn't before.People asking the specifics of the action the parties and government are taking and holding them accountable for it can only be a positive, as it has not been a electoral issue for too long except for exceptions as everyone is seen the same. And every parties basic defence seems to be to say everyone is doing the same too.
Okay, it's fair enough to take that stance. But there's a limit to it. Sooner or later they're going to be questioned as to the validity of their stated support base if they fail to make use of it in the way the constitution intended it.As for the view of Arvind Kejriwal, the version you are presenting is the one distorted by the Congress politicians and from the other so called corrupt social justice lobby parties.
All he was asked was is that is Anna Hazare above Parliament, he replied no but according to the constitution, every Citizen is above Parliament.
Then the interviewer asked by that logic is Anna Hazare and you and the rest of your supporters above Parliament, he said yes. All twisted around to present as if he was advocation some other form of governance or challenging the constitution.
Those exact same words were also said by Varun Gandhi, Ajit singh's son and also Mrs.Badal who spoke for Akali Dal, on the floor of parliament. What's the hoohah about?
The Indian constitution says We the people of India give ourselves the constitution and starts of from there....
Democracy doesn't mean you vote once in 5 years and then sit and watch as your MP, does whatever he wants in Parliament without saying anything.
AFAIK, the anti-defection law cannot be applied to independent MP's, for obvious reasons. There is absolutely no indication that this route was even considered by Civil Society.I believe Varun Gandhi and another couple of MP's already introduced their bill and Ram Jethmalani said he would too and then it has been officially presented to the standing committee too. But this was after the pressure was put on them after the agitation, not before.
But good luck getting those bills even considered in parliament with the speaker being a appointee of the government and the Party issuing whips on their MP'S and not allowing individual votes. The anti - defection law says a MP defying the whip can be disqualified from the house and removed from the party too, which is how democratic?
We don't even know where individual MP'S stand on what issue. Even Parties half the time cheat on their manifestos.
As the situation stands, we have the government working on a bill in parliament, and Civil Society demanding, from the outside, the implementation of specific changes literally every single week. Is this a way to get any work done? What they should have done is finalise their version of the bill, introduce it into parliament, and let parliamentary procedure take its course. You can't just keep making demands without authority. There is no reason why the government should give greater consideration to their demands than those of, say, the Shiv Sena.
The basic MO of any legitimate lobby is to act through the MP's they win over to their cause. There's a fine line between agitation and blackmail. I find that for a body that is supposedly as huge as Civil Society, the continual and unabated desire for power without the shackles of responsibility is a good indicator. They're only devaluing their own currency with their frequent threats of fasts.All they are doing is advocating for reforms and a bill and reforms. Happens all over the world including in US and Britain where lobby groups keep doing the same whether it be concerning environment, guns or anything. If they are beneficial or popular no party or MP etc.... can resist it and if they are not they get muzzled or ignored. How is it anything unconstitutional is beyond me and i think they should keep doing it as in India the power of a negative vote they can cause against a party will be a lot more to threaten them, than if they stand for election and get even about 10% of popular vote with the first past the post system. Even in India look at the new state creation agitations, or the RTI movement, or the Farmers or Transporters who hold rallies or Women's reservation bill movement etc.....even in recent times asking for a bill or a change.
And once the cycle of cleaning up the system picks up speed and becomes more of a issue and thus results in more steps, then the existing MP'S will themselves perform better and also more clean people will enter into politics and even they can if they want. Though, at the end of the day every citizen has a right to galvanize popular support with regards to a cause in a democracy to pressurize parliament/government as long as it is not illegal or divisive, especially in a country like India where there is no referendum.
'You will look very silly said Mr Salteena with a dry laugh.
Well so will you said Ethel in a snappy tone and she ran out of the room with a very superier run throwing out her legs behind and her arms swinging in rithum.
Well said the owner of the house she has a most idiotick run.'
Btw, the BJP government in Uttarakhand led by B.C Khanduri has passed a Lokayukta act closely based on the Jan Lokpal bill, but the congress government in the centre dithers.
Doing themselves no favors, the idiots.
I think we can agree that we all endorse the big picture, but differ on the long-term validity of the methods employed.
Mamata Banerjee threatens to withdraw support to the government on Inflation and Fuel Price rise.
Pretty sure she won't though. Classic Brinkmanship!!
None of the allies want to be associated with the Congress too closely right now and seen to be responsible for the decisions of the government. NCP, TMC and NC among others bashing the government now despite being part of it. Getting Ridiculous now.
As a powerful figure in INC, Gandhi repeatedly ignored the wishes of the members of the majority and put his guys in the INC positions (case in point SC Bose Vs. Pattabhi Sitaramaiya).
Inflation is pretty high. What's causing the hike in food prices?
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