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[Cevno]

Originally Posted by 8ankitj

Shashi Tharoor suggested that the victim's name be made public and the new anti-rape laws be named after her. The family innocently enough says that her name can be used for a good cause. If I were you Mr Tharoor, I wouldn't make that suggestion. There are all sorts of distasteful things that can happen if her name is made public.

Don't see anything wrong in making her name public tbh. Atleast the first name should be, if the family doesn't object.

Not sure about naming the law after her though, as it can have negative connotations. Heard that her father said somewhere that she wanted to improve healthcare facilities in her poor village, so naming a hospital there after her would be more apt.

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by Cevno

Reading too much into it tbh.

Think he meant it in the sense that Men should also protect woman. The onus is on society as a whole and it's not only a woman's issue.

No, clearly men are involved but women should be empowered and take the lead on it. As the article posted earlier about women getting sidelined even in these protests shows, paternalism is alive and well even in the more 'liberal-minded' people.

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by Cevno

Don't see anything wrong in making her name public tbh. Atleast the first name should be, if the family doesn't object.

Not sure about naming the law after her though, as it can have negative connotations. Heard that her father said somewhere that she wanted to improve healthcare facilities in her poor village, so naming a hospital there after her would be more apt.

I don't know what the laws are in India but won't her name be part of the public record when the trial commences?

[Cevno]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

I don't know what the laws are in India but won't her name be part of the public record when the trial commences?

As far as i know, it depends on the Court or the family if it wants to disclose it during trial.

If the name is mentioned in the final judgement, it can be published though.

[Cevno]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

No, clearly men are involved but women should be empowered and take the lead on it.

Yeah, agreed but it's not a either/or situation. He isn't saying that only men should protect woman, but that men should also protect woman no matter what.

In a situation where men are already more empowered unless they also make a effort to correct this, it won't solve anything. You can't just leave it, and tell the women to fend for themselves which is what sometimes that happens due to apathy and a "chalta hai" attitude.

As the article posted earlier about women getting sidelined even in these protests shows, paternalism is alive and well even in the more 'liberal-minded' people.

Don't get what that article was getting at tbh...

If Men don't come out, then the criticism is that it is being seen as a woman's issue and not a societal issue. And reflects parochial attitude.

And if they do, then the criticism is that there are too many men and they have sidelined women.

There was a decent mix of both men and woman protesting from what i saw.

[Cevno]

Also, not to sound paternalistic here but in a physical confrontation men have more natural muscle mass than woman. So maybe you could look at it in that context too.

Which doesn't again take away from the fact that woman need to be empowered in that area too.

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by Cevno

Yeah, agreed but it's not a either/or situation. He isn't saying that only men should protect woman, but that men should also protect woman no matter what.

In a situation where men are already more empowered unless they also make a effort to correct this, it won't solve anything. You can't just leave it, and tell the women to fend for themselves which is what sometimes that happens due to apathy and a "chalta hai" attitude.




Don't get what that article was getting at tbh...

If Men don't come out, then the criticism is that it is being seen as a woman's issue and not a societal issue. And reflects parochial attitude.

And if they do, then the criticism is that there are too many men and they have sidelined women.

There was a decent mix of both men and woman protesting from what i saw.

It was highlighting the same attitudes that lead to the oppression of women in the first place.

[Cevno]

The attitude is a issue but not sure about the example used to highlight it. People these days are just nitpicking everything to try and find more examples of a parochial attitude even where there aren't.

It's a complex issue and the mindset is disgusting in parts, but it's only a part of the larger problem. Not a singular issue by itself.

[silentstriker]

Mindset IS the primary problem.

[silentstriker]

How Indian Attitudes Toward Sex Are Hurting Rape Victims

[Cevno]

Only Witness of Delhi Gangrape incident speaks to Zee News Exclusive - YouTube

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Interview of the guy who was accompanying the girl.

[Cevno]

People stared at us and left, but didn
Don't speak Hindi.

Just read that for part of it.

Awful. So Depressing.

[Cevno]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

Mindset IS the primary problem.

It's a major problem in it's own right, but in terms of sexual violence against woman it's one of 3/4 primary problems and other secondary ones.

[silentstriker]

What are the other primary problems? As far as I see, they all stem from the puritanical and oppressive mindset.

[Cevno]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

What are the other primary problems? As far as I see, they all stem from the puritanical and oppressive mindset.

To give one example -

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This guy a convicted Rapist is absconding for 6 years.


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On the other hand cases are pending in courts for 20 years in every area, whether it be civil or criminal.


And this just doesn't only apply to sexual violence cases. See here -

Cops can't find Salman Khan!

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