And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
Conditional talks: TTP truce offer finds no takers in military
If this report is to be believed (and it is a pretty silly report) then who actually is calling the shots?
The govt or the military? If the govt cannot call the shots then why is it there?
It's there to take care of the admin (which it does poorly anyway) stuff and as a front. Serious decisions are made by the military.
That was a major difference between India and Pakistan when they were formed. We had many leaders in the Indian National Congress, who were extremely popular and had a moral authority pan India and a established cadre.
The likes of Patel, Shastri etc....and especially Nehru and Gandhi kept India together and the military could never even think of removing them.
On the other hand in Pakistan, Jinnah died very early after Independence and Liaquat Khan was killed too. After that there was a divided polity which came as a result of there being no leader with a moral authority across Pakistan.
This gave military a In and since then it has called shots mostly for all the time, except for a spell where Zulfikar ali Bhutto ruled the country due to the moral authority he had developed. Once that fell and his popularity declined due to all sorts of differences, again Zia Ul Haq came in.
And this is why i think Imran is probably the best option for Pakistan right now. It will be a herculean task but he is a outside chance of gaining that stature, where he can tell the Military to shove it. Also, because let's face it Zardari and Nawaz Sharif have no chance.
Plus this day and age with all the technology and information flow available, it is tough for the military to do a coup as it is and the Judiciary after a long time has shown some little degree of independence.
Last edited by Cevno; 31-12-2012 at 03:26 PM.
I may hate the Indian national Congress in current form, and also hate the Economic Policy that they followed for most part after independence but there is no disputing the fact that if it wasn't for that Party and the top leadership at the time, India would have broken up by now and had Military dictators and what not.
And India was even more divided than Pakistan across Caste and Religious lines and a perfect recipe for disaster and yet they mantained the Secular fabric to a large degree and also tried to make the society more liberal.Shudder to think if we had the fractured polity we have now, and the weak leadership at that time what would have happened.
Should hear Ramchandra Guha talk about the Histories of Pakistan and India, imo.
Last edited by Cevno; 31-12-2012 at 08:57 PM.
Meh just because you don't like who people vote for, that doesn't make it something other than a democracy.
Yeah, it's a democracy. Worded that statement wrong first time.
But a Democracy can have overbearing shades of Oligarchy and Plutocracy too.
It's all about the systems and checks in place, and how democracy operates in practice. Not about just having a right to vote once in 5 years after which you can get lost.
Last edited by Cevno; 31-12-2012 at 09:01 PM.
That's still a democracy. The people ultimately can elect people who can change it. For whatever reason, they choose not to. Unless the elections themselves are somehow unfair, you get the the government you deserve.
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