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[smalishah84]

happy new year from Nawaz Sharif with a promise for change

Nawaz assails govt policies; vows to bring change | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

change is the new buzz word. After the "tsunami"

[Faisal1985]

Originally Posted by slowfinger

Shehzad Roy-Apney Ulloo

Amazing song, deep meaning.

Yup..loved the song...he has made so many meaningful songs...

[Faisal1985]

Originally Posted by Fusion

Oh please. That was a pathetic article and comment posted by Smali. Of course Muslims in general faced discrimination and some isolated cases of hate crimes after 9/11. It was not prevalent and certainly not bad enough for anyone to fear detention camps or change identities! I've lived in this country for more than 22 years and I've never once feared for my life because I'm a Muslim/Pakistani. I vividly remember 9/11 and going to work that day. I was apprehensive about the reaction I might get from others. No one said a negative word to me. On the contrary, many of my co-workers came up to me individually and wanted to make sure that I was OK and not being targeted by someone. Also, Pakistan was not in the radar of most Americans after 9/11. It was "Muslims" in general that were the topic of conversation. Pakistan has only become the hot topic in the past 5 years or so.

The US is not perfect and Muslims are certainly under suspicion and may face some cases of discrimination. However, the overwhelming majority of the time they are treated with respect and dignity. Compare that with the treatment of minorities in Pakistan and other Muslim countries and it becomes clear who's morally superior. Frankly, if you want to see the best parts of Islam in actual practice, come live in the US. In terms of openly and proudly practicing your religion, respecting the rights of its citizens, and giving everyone the opportunity to better their own life, the US puts any other Muslim country to shame.

Thats why I said being a Muslim because Pakistan was kind of unknown at that time and I disagree with Smali that someone would change Identity.

I don't know which part of US you live in but in Brooklyn NY there is a tremendous amount of desi community. Those weren't some "isolated" events...i don't know how you can down play some of the most pathetic hate crimes that occurred to our own people. I don't care what the article says but you need to get your facts right bud. I have family and my cousins still living in NY and I know whats the situation with them.

Even poor Sikhs had the most amount of backlash because of there beard. There were Muslim males been taken away from there homes without any warrent/charges and there families have still havent heard about them. If they were put in death camps or taken away for an indefinite time what difference does it make?

And frankly speaking, practicing Islam is not just praying and going to Masjid etc. Practicing Islam has to do with creating an Islamic society which is no where to be found in the world.

I don't agree with rights protection of Muslims in U.S. the patriot act has given the power to the prosecution and law enforcement to do search and cease without just cause, the right to remain silent is nullified, innocent until proven guilty has been reversed, unreasonable detention has been legalized, privacy invasion is common by tapping phone lines etc.. And it is mostly directed at Muslims.

There is a law called Bill C-36 in Canada which is similar to the U.S. patriot act but I have hardly heard or seen it being practiced like the patriot act is used in the U.S.

If there is one country which can boast about human rights of minorities in real terms and not bending/twisting rules and laws based on race than that is Canada....

[slowfinger]

Originally Posted by Faisal1985

Yup..loved the song...he has made so many meaningful songs...

The Angelina Jolie reference was lolworthy and the rapper basically told the history of Pakistan... The song is now #1 in the charts

[smalishah84]

Originally Posted by Faisal1985

Thats why I said being a Muslim because Pakistan was kind of unknown at that time and I disagree with Smali that someone would change Identity.

when did I say somebody would change their identity? It was that article by somebody who happens to be in the US and wrote a piece for dawn. I just put it here. I thought maybe that was why Fusion acts the way he does . Turns out it isn't just that

Originally Posted by Faisal1985

I don't know which part of US you live in but in Brooklyn NY there is a tremendous amount of desi community. Those weren't some "isolated" events...i don't know how you can down play some of the most pathetic hate crimes that occurred to our own people. I don't care what the article says but you need to get your facts right bud. I have family and my cousins still living in NY and I know whats the situation with them.

Even poor Sikhs had the most amount of backlash because of there beard. There were Muslim males been taken away from there homes without any warrent/charges and there families have still havent heard about them. If they were put in death camps or taken away for an indefinite time what difference does it make?

And frankly speaking, practicing Islam is not just praying and going to Masjid etc. Practicing Islam has to do with creating an Islamic society which is no where to be found in the world.

I don't agree with rights protection of Muslims in U.S. the patriot act has given the power to the prosecution and law enforcement to do search and cease without just cause, the right to remain silent is nullified, innocent until proven guilty has been reversed, unreasonable detention has been legalized, privacy invasion is common by tapping phone lines etc.. And it is mostly directed at Muslims.

There is a law called Bill C-36 in Canada which is similar to the U.S. patriot act but I have hardly heard or seen it being practiced like the patriot act is used in the U.S.

If there is one country which can boast about human rights of minorities in real terms and not bending/twisting rules and laws based on race than that is Canada....

woah.......didn't know about people being picked from their homes without charge. Sounds scary.

From my friends who have lived in the US and Canada I have heard a lot of good things about both places, especially Canada.

[smalishah84]

pretty good message from Wasim in favor of Imran's leadership

Waseem Akram on Imran Khan - YouTube

[Fusion]

Originally Posted by Faisal1985

Thats why I said being a Muslim because Pakistan was kind of unknown at that time and I disagree with Smali that someone would change Identity.

I don't know which part of US you live in but in Brooklyn NY there is a tremendous amount of desi community. Those weren't some "isolated" events...i don't know how you can down play some of the most pathetic hate crimes that occurred to our own people. I don't care what the article says but you need to get your facts right bud. I have family and my cousins still living in NY and I know whats the situation with them.

Even poor Sikhs had the most amount of backlash because of there beard. There were Muslim males been taken away from there homes without any warrent/charges and there families have still havent heard about them. If they were put in death camps or taken away for an indefinite time what difference does it make?

And frankly speaking, practicing Islam is not just praying and going to Masjid etc. Practicing Islam has to do with creating an Islamic society which is no where to be found in the world.

I don't agree with rights protection of Muslims in U.S. the patriot act has given the power to the prosecution and law enforcement to do search and cease without just cause, the right to remain silent is nullified, innocent until proven guilty has been reversed, unreasonable detention has been legalized, privacy invasion is common by tapping phone lines etc.. And it is mostly directed at Muslims.

There is a law called Bill C-36 in Canada which is similar to the U.S. patriot act but I have hardly heard or seen it being practiced like the patriot act is used in the U.S.

If there is one country which can boast about human rights of minorities in real terms and not bending/twisting rules and laws based on race than that is Canada....

Wow, so now you've decided to make up crap. Lovely. Alright, I'll play along. Link me to a source which says that Pakistanis/Muslims got picked up from their homes in the US and were never heard from again. That's total bull crap and you know it. That kind of thing happens in Pakistan, not the US.

Now let's talk about the "backlash" that you are talking about against Muslims. Immediately after 9/11, there were some isolated cases of hate crimes, including some people being killed. I call them "isolated" incidents because that's what they were. There were no mobs attacking Muslims (or people that looked like them) all over the U.S. Again, can you post something that shows that hate crimes against Muslims were widespread after 9/11? There was certainly no governmental sanction of those crimes, as each and every one of those hate crime was investigated and a man was even executed for his crime.

I don't know what type of discrimination/backlash your family faced that made you want to move away. I'm not going to make light of your experience. Whatever it was though, it was certainly not the "norm" faced by the overwhelming majority of Muslims. Myself and the sizable Muslim community in Dallas (the heart of bible-thumping, right-wing loving, Bush country USA) have not experienced the hate that you describe. I also have family living in New York and visit there often. I don't see this hate against Muslims that you speak of. Keep in mind that I'm not saying there isn't discrimination or suspicion, because there's certainly that. However, I don't see anything on the level that would make families want to move away. I'm afraid whatever experience you had is clouding your entire judgement about what life is like for Muslims in the U.S. I will reiterate: Muslims are free to practice their religion here and are afforded the same protection and rights under the law that is afforded to anyone else.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Faisal1985

There were Muslim males been taken away from there homes without any warrent/charges and there families have still havent heard about them. If they were put in death camps or taken away for an indefinite time what difference does it make?

Originally Posted by Faisal1985

And frankly speaking, practicing Islam is not just praying and going to Masjid etc. Practicing Islam has to do with creating an Islamic society

Eek.

[Agent Nationaux]

Death camps, lol

Originally Posted by Fusion

Wow, so now you've decided to make up crap. Lovely. Alright, I'll play along. Link me to a source which says that Pakistanis/Muslims got picked up from their homes in the US and were never heard from again. That's total bull crap and you know it. That kind of thing happens in Pakistan, not the US.

Now let's talk about the "backlash" that you are talking about against Muslims. Immediately after 9/11, there were some isolated cases of hate crimes, including some people being killed. I call them "isolated" incidents because that's what they were. There were no mobs attacking Muslims (or people that looked like them) all over the U.S. Again, can you post something that shows that hate crimes against Muslims were widespread after 9/11? There was certainly no governmental sanction of those crimes, as each and every one of those hate crime was investigated and a man was even executed for his crime.

I don't know what type of discrimination/backlash your family faced that made you want to move away. I'm not going to make light of your experience. Whatever it was though, it was certainly not the "norm" faced by the overwhelming majority of Muslims. Myself and the sizable Muslim community in Dallas (the heart of bible-thumping, right-wing loving, Bush country USA) have not experienced the hate that you describe. I also have family living in New York and visit there often. I don't see this hate against Muslims that you speak of. Keep in mind that I'm not saying there isn't discrimination or suspicion, because there's certainly that. However, I don't see anything on the level that would make families want to move away. I'm afraid whatever experience you had is clouding your entire judgement about what life is like for Muslims in the U.S. I will reiterate: Muslims are free to practice their religion here and are afforded the same protection and rights under the law that is afforded to anyone else.

Really felt sad about the man who was executed by the Authorities. His victim had forgiven him and was protesting to save his life and that man truly felt remorseful. You could feel the remorse and shame in his voice. I wish he had not been executed.

[smalishah84]

Originally Posted by Faisal1985

Thats why I said being a Muslim because Pakistan was kind of unknown at that time and I disagree with Smali that someone would change Identity.

I don't know which part of US you live in but in Brooklyn NY there is a tremendous amount of desi community. Those weren't some "isolated" events...i don't know how you can down play some of the most pathetic hate crimes that occurred to our own people. I don't care what the article says but you need to get your facts right bud. I have family and my cousins still living in NY and I know whats the situation with them.

Even poor Sikhs had the most amount of backlash because of there beard. There were Muslim males been taken away from there homes without any warrent/charges and there families have still havent heard about them. If they were put in death camps or taken away for an indefinite time what difference does it make?

And frankly speaking, practicing Islam is not just praying and going to Masjid etc. Practicing Islam has to do with creating an Islamic society which is no where to be found in the world.

I don't agree with rights protection of Muslims in U.S. the patriot act has given the power to the prosecution and law enforcement to do search and cease without just cause, the right to remain silent is nullified, innocent until proven guilty has been reversed, unreasonable detention has been legalized, privacy invasion is common by tapping phone lines etc.. And it is mostly directed at Muslims.

There is a law called Bill C-36 in Canada which is similar to the U.S. patriot act but I have hardly heard or seen it being practiced like the patriot act is used in the U.S.

If there is one country which can boast about human rights of minorities in real terms and not bending/twisting rules and laws based on race than that is Canada....

Originally Posted by Fusion

Wow, so now you've decided to make up crap. Lovely. Alright, I'll play along. Link me to a source which says that Pakistanis/Muslims got picked up from their homes in the US and were never heard from again. That's total bull crap and you know it. That kind of thing happens in Pakistan, not the US.

Now let's talk about the "backlash" that you are talking about against Muslims. Immediately after 9/11, there were some isolated cases of hate crimes, including some people being killed. I call them "isolated" incidents because that's what they were. There were no mobs attacking Muslims (or people that looked like them) all over the U.S. Again, can you post something that shows that hate crimes against Muslims were widespread after 9/11? There was certainly no governmental sanction of those crimes, as each and every one of those hate crime was investigated and a man was even executed for his crime.

I don't know what type of discrimination/backlash your family faced that made you want to move away. I'm not going to make light of your experience. Whatever it was though, it was certainly not the "norm" faced by the overwhelming majority of Muslims. Myself and the sizable Muslim community in Dallas (the heart of bible-thumping, right-wing loving, Bush country USA) have not experienced the hate that you describe. I also have family living in New York and visit there often. I don't see this hate against Muslims that you speak of. Keep in mind that I'm not saying there isn't discrimination or suspicion, because there's certainly that. However, I don't see anything on the level that would make families want to move away. I'm afraid whatever experience you had is clouding your entire judgement about what life is like for Muslims in the U.S. I will reiterate: Muslims are free to practice their religion here and are afforded the same protection and rights under the law that is afforded to anyone else.

wow......2 totally opposite experiences living in the same country. Who speaks the truth ?

[smalishah84]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Eek.

don't you just love PEWS

[smalishah84]

New Year gift to Pakistan

Restrictions on aid ? new year US gift to Pakistan | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

[Xuhaib]

Originally Posted by smalishah84

pretty good message from Wasim in favor of Imran's leadership

Waseem Akram on Imran Khan - YouTube

Wasim to be Pakistan's ambassador in India once Imran comes in to power.

[Cevno]

I thought that job was reserved for Veena Malik?

[smalishah84]

Originally Posted by Xuhaib

Wasim to be Pakistan's ambassador in India once Imran comes in to power.

Originally Posted by Cevno

I thought that job was reserved for Veena Malik?