The Official Pakistan Politics thread - Page 37

Spark · 06-12-2011, 01:27 AM

I don't know, do I? I'm not a A-class dweeb like Donny Rumsfeld. But all the evidence points to him believing his own tripe at the time.

silentstriker · 06-12-2011, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by smalishah84

I know you guys want profits immediately but patience is a virtue. Capital expenditure always comes first. Read

So...in order to get profits, America decided to install a government that wants to kick us out...instead of...you know, just taking the oil? Ya, makes total sense.

smalishah84 · 06-12-2011, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Spark

I don't know, do I? I'm not a A-class dweeb like Donny Rumsfeld. But all the evidence points to him believing his own tripe at the time.

Just watch this again please. Quite funny

Donald Rumsfeld lies. - YouTube

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

So...in order to get profits, America decided to install a government that wants to kick us out...instead of...you know, just taking the oil? Ya, makes total sense.

So? Anybody who comes into power in Iraq will try to soothe the iraqi public by asking for American withdrawal. It is stupid to assume that any govt in Iraq would come and openly welcome an unpopular move such as the US invasion. At the same time do you think the Iraqis themselves have all the autonomy in the world?

So? Maybe there was a miscalculation regarding how easily the oil would start coming in. Does that mean that they didn't invade for oil?

I never thought this would be happening but even that tool Bill o Reilly thinks that the US invasion of Iraq was all about oil. Makes for great watching too.

Bill O'Reilly Gets Owned By David Letterman - Part 1 of 2 - YouTube

Bill O'Reilly Gets Owned By David Letterman - Part 2 of 2 - YouTube

Spark · 06-12-2011, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

So...in order to get profits, America decided to install a government that wants to kick us out...instead of...you know, just taking the oil? Ya, makes total sense.

Actually I don't think it's very certain that Iraq wants America gone completely at all. Certainly a push in certain sections to maintain a US presence - mostly amongst the Kurd/Sunni(?) minority I believe - but by the time they could get round to try and actually get some sort of coherent debate going, the horse had bolted, and they had to go. The US certainly wanted to stay (one word: Iran)... but I think the assumption that goes into this is that Iraq has something approaching a coherent government that actually has any idea what it wants which is probably a wee bit dodgy.

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I never thought this would be happening but even that tool Bill o Reilly thinks that the US invasion of Iraq was all about oil. Makes for great watching too.

Bill O'Reilly Gets Owned By David Letterman - Part 1 of 2 - YouTube

Bill O'Reilly Gets Owned By David Letterman - Part 2 of 2 - YouTube

This isn't an argument either... seriously, man, can you put up hard evidence, and not random youtube clips or blogs?

smalishah84 · 06-12-2011, 03:36 AM

what kind of hard evidence are you looking for?

Chomsky's analysis you don't want to hear, the right wingers views you are not ready to accept (even though they were the ones pushing for the war).

Now do you want me to get you photos of the American flag fluttering in the winds of the desert over the mouth of an Iraqi oil well????? Or you want me to have a video of bush come out and saying that "Yes, we went in there for oil"?

smalishah84 · 06-12-2011, 03:39 AM

lol...Tamim gone

smalishah84 · 06-12-2011, 03:41 AM

here is an interesting piece.........although it says that most of the contracts went to other countries but read on

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/17/bu...pagewanted=all

Spark · 06-12-2011, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by smalishah84

what kind of hard evidence are you looking for?

Chomsky's analysis you don't want to hear, the right wingers views you are not ready to accept (even though they were the ones pushing for the war).

Now do you want me to get you photos of the American flag fluttering in the winds of the desert over the mouth of an Iraqi oil well????? Or you want me to have a video of bush come out and saying that "Yes, we went in there for oil"?

Christ.

Pre-planned contracts. Minutes of meetings where this was planned. Military strategy. Geopolitical strategy. Hard. ****ing. Evidence.

Not some random talking head's agenda.

If you honestly think that your "Iraq was about oil" argument is proved because Bill O'****ingReilly says so then I have no words.

smalishah84 · 06-12-2011, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Spark

Christ.

Pre-planned contracts. Minutes of meetings where this was planned. Military strategy. Geopolitical strategy. Hard. ****ing. Evidence.

Do you expect me to get the Pentagon papers on this? They will probably be declassified 30 years later or so. Quite a silly statement tbh. I'll try and call up Julian Assange and see if he has something for you

smalishah84 · 06-12-2011, 04:08 AM

Btw do you have hard ****ing evidence to say that the invasion was for freedom and democracy?

Athlai · 06-12-2011, 04:10 AM

Iraq did have chemical WMD in their past so I never minded the allusion to WMD in Iraq, most knew they had previously developed chemical WMD before and could potentially do so again. Was this enough to go to war for? Probably not. The nuke claims were, as was revealed, a dubious claim at best.

Spark · 06-12-2011, 04:11 AM

...

Find where I actually said it was about freedom and democracy and I'll respond to that post.

Spikey · 06-12-2011, 04:12 AM

maybe george bush just didn't like saddam hussein

Spark · 06-12-2011, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Athlai

Iraq did have chemical WMD in their past so I never minded the allusion to WMD in Iraq, most knew they had previously developed chemical WMD before and could potentially do so again. Was this enough to go to war for? Probably not. The nuke claims were, as was revealed, a dubious claim at best.

I'm not sure why they were so insistent on the nuclear aspect. That was almost certainly a political thing because in the public mind, chemical weapons sound bad but nuclear weapons are death incarnate (when in reality given the purpose I would be far more concerned about chemical weapons than nuclear. Nasty, nasty ****ers)

Spark · 06-12-2011, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikey

maybe george bush just didn't like saddam hussein

Haha, and then there's that.

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smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,865	what kind of hard evidence are you looking for? Chomsky's analysis you don't want to hear, the right wingers views you are not ready to accept (even though they were the ones pushing for the war). Now do you want me to get you photos of the American flag fluttering in the winds of the desert over the mouth of an Iraqi oil well????? Or you want me to have a video of bush come out and saying that "Yes, we went in there for oil"?

06-12-2011, 03:39 AM	#546 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,865	lol...Tamim gone

06-12-2011, 03:41 AM	#547 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,865	here is an interesting piece.........although it says that most of the contracts went to other countries but read on http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/17/bu...pagewanted=all

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smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,865	Btw do you have hard ****ing evidence to say that the invasion was for freedom and democracy?

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Spark Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: A Blood Rainbow Posts: 26,771	... Find where I actually said it was about freedom and democracy and I'll respond to that post.

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