Gay marriage views?

[Redbacks]

Originally Posted by GotSpin

Indeed

just don't ask him for advice on interracial marriage

[silentstriker]

There are some issues I understand but I disagree with. I am completely pro-choice, but I understand the pro-life position. I understand that if, for whatever reason, you believe that human life begins at conception, and termination of that is murder, that you have a moral obligation to do your best to put an end to that, even if it is not your child (eg, you look at it as preventing the murder of someone else's child). I disagree with the premise (eg the belief that it is a "human" life with all the rights), but if we hold that premise to be true, their line of argument makes sense because murder is something that the entire society has an interest in preventing. Again, I'm just about the most pro-choice person ever, but I can appreciate the logic of the other side.

On the other hand, I just don't understand the opposition to gay marriage. It doesn't make any sense to me. Nobody is being hurt, and your life is not being affected in any way. It's something I can't fathom - I just can't follow their logic.

[Top_Cat]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

There are some issues I understand but I disagree with. I am completely pro-choice, but I understand the pro-life position. I understand that if, for whatever reason, you believe that human life begins at conception, and termination of that is murder, that you have a moral obligation to do your best to put an end to that, even if it is not your child (eg, you look at it as preventing the murder of someone else's child). I disagree with the premise (eg the belief that it is a "human" life with all the rights), but if we hold that premise to be true, their line of argument makes sense because murder is something that the entire society has an interest in preventing. Again, I'm just about the most pro-choice person ever, but I can appreciate the logic of the other side.

On the other hand, I just don't understand the opposition to gay marriage. It doesn't make any sense to me. Nobody is being hurt, and your life is not being affected in any way. It's something I can't fathom - I just can't follow their logic.

Problem.

[dontcloseyoureyes]

And it's not like God's going to let them in if he exists.

[andyc]

louis c. k. on gay marriage - YouTube

Language warning etc.

[Sanz]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

There are some issues I understand but I disagree with. I am completely pro-choice, but I understand the pro-life position. I understand that if, for whatever reason, you believe that human life begins at conception, and termination of that is murder, that you have a moral obligation to do your best to put an end to that, even if it is not your child (eg, you look at it as preventing the murder of someone else's child). I disagree with the premise (eg the belief that it is a "human" life with all the rights), but if we hold that premise to be true, their line of argument makes sense because murder is something that the entire society has an interest in preventing. Again, I'm just about the most pro-choice person ever, but I can appreciate the logic of the other side.

Most biggest pro-life supporters are also some of the biggest supporters of Capital Punishment and that's why the pro-life stance of these people doesn't make sense to me.

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by Sanz

Most biggest pro-life supporters are also some of the biggest supporters of Capital Punishment and that's why the pro-life stance of these people doesn't make sense to me.

While I am definitely opposed to capital punishment, I think the issue is killing the innocent vs. killing someone convicted of a crime. Again, you and I may disagree with it, but there is at least a logical process involved in their rationalizations.

[GingerFurball]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

While I am definitely opposed to capital punishment, I think the issue is killing the innocent vs. killing someone convicted of a crime. Again, you and I may disagree with it, but there is at least a logical process involved in their rationalizations.

It's selective logic though. Supporting capital punishment isn't consistent with the 'sanctity of life' argument.

[Anil]

Originally Posted by Sanz

Most biggest pro-life supporters are also some of the biggest supporters of Capital Punishment and that's why the pro-life stance of these people doesn't make sense to me.

and most of them are pro-war as well....there is no logic or reason involved...for the most they are blindly parrotting what they believe the bible tells them to do...

[Redbacks]

Originally Posted by Anil

and most of them are pro-war as well....there is no logic or reason involved...for the most they are blindly parrotting what they believe the bible tells them to do...

'Death of 1 person is a tragedy, of a million is a statistic' - J Stalin

Secular leader repsonsible for at least 43 million deaths blindly following what Leninist-Marxism told him to do through 'infallible reasoning' of dialectical materialism...

[silentstriker]

Or option b) he was a power hungry douche and did whatever he could to gain and keep absolute power.

[Redbacks]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

Or option b) he was a power hungry douche and did whatever he could to gain and keep absolute power.

had a bit in common with Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Lenin, Castro and Kim Il-sung then.

[Anil]

Originally Posted by Redbacks

'Death of 1 person is a tragedy, of a million is a statistic' - J Stalin

Secular leader repsonsible for at least 43 million deaths blindly following what Leninist-Marxism told him to do through 'infallible reasoning' of dialectical materialism...

do you have a point? i am talking about the typical right wing social conservative (of course there are exceptions here as well and i am not referring to them) here with his/her contradictory views on the three topics under discussion (abortion, capital punishment and i added war into the mix)... why bring communism/marxism into this...i certainly haven't glorified it either in comparison or otherwise...

[Turbinator]

Originally Posted by Howe_zat

Ice Caps never melt

[Redbacks]

Originally Posted by Anil

do you have a point? i am talking about the typical right wing social conservative (of course there are exceptions here as well and i am not referring to them) here with his/her contradictory views on the three topics under discussion (abortion, capital punishment and i added war into the mix)... why bring communism/marxism into this...i certainly haven't glorified it either in comparison or otherwise...

I was aiming to be critical of the strength of your position by providing a counter example to the assertion that logic and reason are neccessarily a protection against a propensity to war. The example was to illustrate just how dangerous that which is deemed to be a logical idea can also be, and one that has shaped many conservative thinkers views in the past 50 years.

I think John Stuart Mill summed it up best when he said the original source is often the best place to start when assessing a position, so if you have the time maybe Michael Oakeshott's essay 'on being a conservative' would be a good place to start for a better exposition on the philosophical postion towards government.

Michael Oakeshott - On Being a Conservative.pdf

Btw. David Cameron just last week at the Tory conference said he "supports gay marraige, because he is a conservative" would be intersting to hear a more detailed view of his position.