What would you do if you were made the Prime Minister of your country?

yaju · 20-03-2002, 11:06 AM

Pass laws for women's emancipation.
Make Cricket the national sport.
And a lot more.

Paul · 21-03-2002, 01:15 PM

Ban school, ban fox hunting.

Neil Pickup · 21-03-2002, 02:39 PM

Erm Paul.. maybe that's not such a good idea. Schools are very important places. Even if they are corrupt

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Neil Pickup · 21-03-2002, 02:41 PM

Close all Public Schools
And Church Schools
And ban New Labour
And get rid of all these School League Tables
And increase taxes to a sensible level so we have public services that don't resemble round the back of the pavilion at the school ground.

Paul · 23-03-2002, 03:18 AM

Well why did you say close all public schools then?

Neil Pickup · 23-03-2002, 05:58 AM

PUBLIC Schools

i.e. Brigg Prep, St Martins.

Independent schools, call them what you want. Education should be freely available to everyone at an equal level.

Paul · 23-03-2002, 12:09 PM

Right, O.K., FINE!!!

marc71178 · 24-03-2002, 10:51 AM

Sorry, but why should people be penalised for wanting to pay for schooling if they can afford and it means they would get better teachers?

Teacher's don't get paid a great deal in the public sector, so if they can get a job in the private sector as they're a good teacher, why not?

You don't find Cricketers being all paid the same regardless of ability.

Neil Pickup · 24-03-2002, 11:08 AM

Because kids in deprived areas shouldn't be penalised for not having the money to afford an education.

Paul · 24-03-2002, 12:21 PM

Public schools aren't that brilliant anyway. There are loads of people from ordinary schools who passed the 11+ to get into our school aren't there Neil.

Neil Pickup · 24-03-2002, 02:31 PM

Look at it this way though as % of people who get in going to public school and people through state school. St Martins and Brigg Prep pupils sit tens of practice exams and are schooled to get into a Grammar. It is again unfair against someone who goes to Grange, Grant Thorold, St. Peters, Nunsthorpe etc when someone who is lacking can get into a Grammar ahead of someone who's good and doesn't. There are countless examples. They create a two-tier society

And before you say I'm a hypocrite for going to a Grammar school, I think these are wrong in principle too but it will take 40-50 years of funding for the state sector to provide a comparable learning environment. Which hopefully will happen in my lifetime and I look forward to the day the last Grammar becomes open.

Rant over

marc71178 · 25-03-2002, 01:36 AM

I suppose by the same token Neil, there shouldn't be private hospitals then?

Why should people who can't afford it be deprived the best medical attention.

In fact, why not go one step further and have everything equal - abolish money, and share the nation's assets between us?

May I point out that if you can afford to spend on education etc. for your children, you would be earning more money than someone who can't. Therefore you are paying more in taxes, and also not using the public services.

Paul · 25-03-2002, 10:53 AM

Everybody and everything should be equal, I think.

Neil Pickup · 25-03-2002, 03:49 PM

Why not abolish private hospitals?

You are taking it to stupid proportions hypothesising total equality. Equal opportunities yes, but total equality would mean no incentives and a society that couldn't compete with the rest of the world!

marc71178 · 26-03-2002, 01:12 AM

So please explain to me what the difference is between private as supposed to equal education, and private as supposed to equal healthcare?

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21-03-2002, 02:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	Close all Public Schools And Church Schools And ban New Labour And get rid of all these School League Tables And increase taxes to a sensible level so we have public services that don't resemble round the back of the pavilion at the school ground.

23-03-2002, 03:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
Paul U19 Cricketer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lincolnshire, England Posts: 459	Well why did you say close all public schools then?

23-03-2002, 05:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	PUBLIC Schools i.e. Brigg Prep, St Martins. Independent schools, call them what you want. Education should be freely available to everyone at an equal level.

23-03-2002, 12:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Paul U19 Cricketer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lincolnshire, England Posts: 459	Right, O.K., FINE!!!

24-03-2002, 11:08 AM	#9 (permalink)
Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	Because kids in deprived areas shouldn't be penalised for not having the money to afford an education.

24-03-2002, 12:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
Paul U19 Cricketer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lincolnshire, England Posts: 459	Public schools aren't that brilliant anyway. There are loads of people from ordinary schools who passed the 11+ to get into our school aren't there Neil.

24-03-2002, 02:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	Look at it this way though as % of people who get in going to public school and people through state school. St Martins and Brigg Prep pupils sit tens of practice exams and are schooled to get into a Grammar. It is again unfair against someone who goes to Grange, Grant Thorold, St. Peters, Nunsthorpe etc when someone who is lacking can get into a Grammar ahead of someone who's good and doesn't. There are countless examples. They create a two-tier society And before you say I'm a hypocrite for going to a Grammar school, I think these are wrong in principle too but it will take 40-50 years of funding for the state sector to provide a comparable learning environment. Which hopefully will happen in my lifetime and I look forward to the day the last Grammar becomes open. Rant over

25-03-2002, 01:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	I suppose by the same token Neil, there shouldn't be private hospitals then? Why should people who can't afford it be deprived the best medical attention. In fact, why not go one step further and have everything equal - abolish money, and share the nation's assets between us? May I point out that if you can afford to spend on education etc. for your children, you would be earning more money than someone who can't. Therefore you are paying more in taxes, and also not using the public services.

25-03-2002, 10:53 AM	#13 (permalink)
Paul U19 Cricketer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lincolnshire, England Posts: 459	Everybody and everything should be equal, I think.

25-03-2002, 03:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	Why not abolish private hospitals? You are taking it to stupid proportions hypothesising total equality. Equal opportunities yes, but total equality would mean no incentives and a society that couldn't compete with the rest of the world!

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26-03-2002, 01:12 AM	#15 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	So please explain to me what the difference is between private as supposed to equal education, and private as supposed to equal healthcare?