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    Incrase taxes on the rich... stop Assyam seekers from the country

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    Assylum Seekers aren't harming anybody that much. What would you feel like if you were brought up and lived in the conditions that these people have?
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    They're fine if they're genuine, but a lot aren't, and only come over because we're seen as an easy touch. Chris, you say increase taxes on the rich. Is 40% of salary not enough for you?
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    So please explain to me what the difference is between private as supposed to equal education, and private as supposed to equal healthcare?
    Discrimination against those less fortunate than others, denial of basic rights to healthcare and education of an equal standard.

    This may come as news to you, but we don't have an asylum problem. We attract Indians, Pakistanis, and Africans because we colonised them in the 19th century so they learnt our culture and so we are the best option for them as they can speak English.

    In the same way that France attracts Senegalese, Malians, Moroccans, Algerians, Portugal attracts Brazilians and Spain attracts South Americans.

    Many Asylum Seekers boost our society in terms of working and diversity of culture. Very few are 'scroungers'. Most 'scroungers' are British. Benefit cheats. People claiming JSA (Unemployment Benefit, the Dole) and not trying to find work.

    And no, 40% isn't enough. A 50% band on over 100,000 is overdue and 60% on over 500,000 would help. It's not as if this will be missed and a better society will benefit everyone as our PPC will sky rocket.

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    Discrimination against those less fortunate than others, denial of basic rights to healthcare and education of an equal standard.
    Which was my point - so you're hardly rebutting me there.

    If we don't have an asylum seekers problem, how come the majority try to enter the country ILLegaly?

    As for 50% and 60% tax bands, wouldn't work, people would go somewhere else, and deprive the revenue of everything.

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    And you support discrimination? No wonder we can't have a reasoned argument...

    They enter illegally because of the laws. If you reach the UK you can't be kicked out without application/appeal/appeal - a lot easier to win your case if you get in first. You'd do the same in their positions.

    I don't think most of the people on 100k+ p.a. would leave. Remember, many of these will be Little Englander fascists who wouldnt tolerate another country, and the others would be socialist who wouldn't object to provision for the less privileged among us.

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    Erm, where have I said I support discrimination?

    Anything is done illegally because of the law you tosser - if the law said killing someone is OK, then murder wouldn't be illegal! And what about those who lose they're cases, then disappear rather than leave the country, or those that never get caught by the Authorities? Is that OK by you?


    Surely not being allowed to spend the money people work hard to earn is discriminatory?
    Why should we have free health care in this day and age - how many other countries have it? And how many have as many problems as we seem to have health-wise?

    Finally, I'll think you'll find that a lot of the people on that sort of money would work out that it's relatively easy to change their circumstances such that they don't earn any money in England, but in somewhere where the tax is a lot more reasonable.

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    "Discrimination against those less fortunate than others, denial of basic rights to healthcare and education of an equal standard."

    "Which was my point - so you're hardly rebutting me there."

    Looks like support to me.

    I said that they enter illegally because the law is more favourable to applications from people inside the country than applicants from outside. So people enter illegally to try and further their chances.

    If they disappear into the "black" economy, then well, at least they're doing something for the economy unlike a lot of people...

    Our health service is up the creek because of people like you who don't care about the working classes and hence don't pay taxes so it can't compete with other countries. Incidentally, most European countries have a predominantly state-funded system which small contributions towards treatment (most of which is refunded).

    It's clear that I'm winning this argument as you were the first to resort to abuse. Cheating out of tax... it's not that easy and a true left wing government would produce ways of reducing evasion to the minimum.

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    Blame Tony Blair!

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    Margaret Thatcher.

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    So me asking:

    So please explain to me what the difference is between private as supposed to equal education, and private as supposed to equal healthcare?
    to which you answered:

    Discrimination against those less fortunate than others, denial of basic rights to healthcare and education of an equal standard
    which doesn't actually answer my question.

    That means I support discrimination does it - NO!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now looking at your points -

    If they disappear into the "black" economy, then well, at least they're doing something for the economy unlike a lot of people...
    Well lets see then -
    The black economy is made up of two constituent activities:

    1. Legal activities that are not reported to the tax authorities and the income from which goes untaxed and unreported. For instance: it is not illegal to clean someone's house, to feed people or to drive them. It is, however, illegal to hide the income generated by these activities and not to pay tax on it. In most countries of the world, this is a criminal offence, punishable by years in prison.
    2. Illegal activities which, needless to say, are also not reported to the state (and, therefore, not taxed).
    So I'm sure we must congratulate these people for coming into our country, and not paying taxes etc. - very decent of them I'd say.

    Our health service is up the creek because of people like you who don't care about the working classes and hence don't pay taxes so it can't compete with other countries. Incidentally, most European countries have a predominantly state-funded system which small contributions towards treatment (most of which is refunded).
    First, I may not be working class, more working to middle, but where have I stated that I don't care about the working class?

    Second, I pay tax on my earnings - have I ever stated that I don't, or do I just have to be accused because you want to accuse me?

    Thirdly, how come a recent study showed us to be so far behind other European countries in terms of percentage of GDP spent on Health - the reason given for this being that these countries place a high reliance on PRIVATE healthcare. That of course proves your point that there is a small, refunded, private contribution to health care in most other European countries.

    It's clear that I'm winning this argument as you were the first to resort to abuse. Cheating out of tax... it's not that easy and a true left wing government would produce ways of reducing evasion to the minimum.
    Right, so I got frustrated in proving all your points wrong, and abused you, that means you win the argument does it?

    Evading Tax is easy if you know what you're doing - trust me, I help people do it - and anyone earning that sort of money would happily employ an Acountant or Tax Adviser to maximise their earnings potnential.

    And, incidentally (but I'm sure given your previously well informed points, you'd know this anyway) most of the rules which the better paid find loop holes in have come into being in the years since Labour took power.

    [Edited on 3/28/02 by marc71178]

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    The point regarding the black economy was that it's better to produce untaxed output than sit around scrounging off benefits - which few asylum seekers do. If people who were producing were more often legally allowed to stay in the UK then there would be less need for undeclared income.

    Germany - 10.71
    France - 9.61
    Sweden - 8.63
    EU AVERAGE - 8.61
    Greece - 8.60
    Netherlands - 8.54
    Austria - 8.25
    Denmark - 8.00
    Portugal - 7.88
    Belgium - 7.61
    Italy - 7.59
    Spain - 7.40
    UK - 6.81
    Ireland - 6.33


    All of that is due to Private Expenditure? 3%, i.e 36 billion? Private? Yeah, OK..

    Note the point true left-wing/socialist/trotskyist. This current lot are right of centre and are an absolute joke when it comes to thinking of the common people in this country.

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    So it's better for people to be illegally working, than legally claiming benefit

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    Yes. Why not?

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    How can I give an answer to such a stupid question?

    How can it be better to be doing something illegal than be doing something legal?

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