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    all these leaks about the health care are fun. Supreme Court - Salon.com being top of the class
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    How does that make sense since the 'dissent' takes shot at the majority opinion throughout, so if it was the majority opinion at one point, it doesn't read like it.


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    lool i haven't read the thing, but I've been catching up with the threads/articles I missed about, and this got posted the day or so after the verdict:

    From a cousin Who deals with federal court a lot, on FB:

    Do any of my fellow lawyers share my suspicion that Chief Justice Roberts wrote both the majority opinion AND the principal dissent? (i.e., that he wrote the dissent, then changed his mind and wrote the majority opinion)? The bases for my suspicion: 1) the author of the dissent is not identified; 2) the dissent does not read like a Scalia dissent; 3) the dissent refers to Justice Ginberg's opinion as a dissent and, specifically, presumes she she dissenting to something in the (eventual) dissent, rather than to the majority opinion.
    so I dunno, does that help you? it seems certain that Roberts switched, so from there this doesn't seem that out there, how quickly it's leaked is a bit werid. Clearly Scalia was pissed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post
    lool i haven't read the thing, but I've been catching up with the threads/articles I missed about, and this got posted the day or so after the verdict:



    so I dunno, does that help you? it seems certain that Roberts switched, so from there this doesn't seem that out there, how quickly it's leaked is a bit werid. Clearly Scalia was pissed!
    To be honest, much of it reads like Kennedy's writing because of the libertarian streak. The way it works is that the majority opinion is written first, then the dissenters are given a couple weeks to write their opinion. He might have, and probably did, switch sides - but I'm not sure if he got as far into it as to write the opinion. It's not uncommon for them to switch sides during deliberations, but it would be a first (to my knowledge) for one justice to write both opinions!

    Of course there is a give and take before, so it's not implausible but it really doesn't seem like Roberts writing. Who knows though?

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    I think Robert did switch votes, but he assigned Kennedy to write the majority opinion. The reason being that Kennedy was not only the senior Justice, he was also considered the "swing" vote. Therefore it makes sense for Roberts to assign the majority opinion to him to say to the country "look even the moderate Justice didn't think this was constitutional".

    What's really interesting to me is that once Roberts switched votes, the rest of the conservative justices turned on him. They started leaking to influential conservatives that someone was wavering due to Obama and the "liberal media" attacking the integrity of the court. In their dissenting opinion, they completely ignore Roberts and refuse to join him even in parts of his judgment they agree with. And finally we get all these detailed reports from sources that can only be one or more of the Justices themselves that Roberts switched votes and did so because of outside pressure. Roberts was once the darling of the right (remember he orchestrated the Citizens United ruling); now he's being vilified and some right wingers are openly calling for his resignation!

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    how does the Etch-a-Sketch guy still have a job

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    He thinks like Romney?

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    Romney has decided to simply not give interviews or give any policy positions. He wont even say whether he approves of the President's executive order re: illegal immigrants. No one likes him -- but it also means its impossible to hate him. I'm the biggest Obama supporter and even I'm 'meh' about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post
    lool i haven't read the thing, but I've been catching up with the threads/articles I missed about, and this got posted the day or so after the verdict:



    so I dunno, does that help you? it seems certain that Roberts switched, so from there this doesn't seem that out there, how quickly it's leaked is a bit werid. Clearly Scalia was pissed!
    Why would he write both? If he'd written the dissent then changed his mind, he'd just tag along and agree with the others in the majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Romney has decided to simply not give interviews or give any policy positions. He wont even say whether he approves of the President's executive order re: illegal immigrants. No one likes him -- but it also means its impossible to hate him. I'm the biggest Obama supporter and even I'm 'meh' about him.
    Not that i agree with it, but that reminds me of what Narasimha Rao a ex - Indian Prime Minister once said famously " Taking no Decisions/Positions in politics is often a very important decision in itself".



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