I guess looks matter in the end
I guess looks matter in the end
And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
maybe it was just a case of all the old people listening on radio and the young on tv
Brad McNamara @bbuzzmc
Will say this once and then nothing else. Defamation laws quite clear in Aus.be careful.
I wonder if anyone here has heard/read more about that.
Ugh. Say what you want about McCain but he did reign in some parts of his base somewhat. Still a lot of people not too happy about a black president. This one is going to get real ugly. Remember what Bush did to McCain in South Carolina? Get ready for this one.
A few links on Nixon v Kennedy and the temperature
This one states categorically Kennedy asked for the thermostat to be turned up
(this one just suggests it was a theory)
The other issues in the debate are all true, and wont deny them, but the Kennedy's were sneaky blighters, and would play any advantage. Like resurrecting half of Chicago for polling day
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Sneaky...as opposed to...Nixon?
I wouldn't put it past them but I don't really believe it. Nixon thought doing makeup or getting a tan was too effeminate so he didn't and suffered for it.
Believe it, the Kennedy's were ruthless as they come. Joe would do anything to get his boys out on top.
Again, you're comparing them to NIXON. NIXON FFS.
Also, I'm not saying they wouldn't, I'm saying that I highly doubt they actually did. The political risk is too great for such an unknown benefit (esp. as the medium itself was new in terms of politics).
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Yeah I would highly doubt that the temperature story is true. Debates are controlled by an independent third party and I doubt that the debate administrators would have listened to Kennedy’s people. Also, this was the first televised debate. How could Kennedy have anticipated that Nixon would look that uneasy? Some of the claims in those links like Kennedy had both candidates stand during the debate because he knew Nixon was injured is stretching it. In the overwhelming majority of debates, whether in front of TV or in your local debate team, the participants stand. Same happened to be the case in the Kennedy/Nixon debate.
From what I've heard, the make-up thing seems most credible.
They were very, very on the ball when it came to image and marketing. They knew Nixon was unwell, they knew he sweated easily. They'd seen him close up on a number of occasions during the McCarthy trials (Joe was a big McCarthyist, Nixon acted on behalf of the Government). As VP, Joe would've been sizing him up as the likely opponant for JFK (he'd been planning a Presidential run since the war, first wanting to use Joe Jr until he was killed fighting, he turned the John, helping get his war memoirs published, used his influence to earn citations - not that JFK didn't deserve them mind).
Personally I think the standing one is a bit of a myth too, indeed its the first I've heard that. Addresses had always been given from the soap box, and whilst this was the first televised debate, I just can't see why they'd think sitting would work.
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