The American Politics thread

[Spark]

Would love to live in this magic world where consumers have superpowered eyesight which can detect E. Coli and salmonella just by looking at the food.

[Flem274*]

Is it worrying I could guess every response from Ikki in this thread? just skimmed to the bottom of the page in the end.

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

This must be how other people feel when they read my posts on the matter.

No, no it isn't.

[_Ed_]

Huntsman was on the political programme on TV this morning. Thought he was really impressive. He spoke really well and made a lot of sense, and he made some great points about the Republican Party, the campaign and international relations. It's a shame he wasn't able to gain any traction in his campaign.

[Spark]

To be honest he wasn't exactly trying. He was more or less running an independent platform. Would hazard at a guess that he's sounding out the waters for 2016.

[Spark]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

This must be how other people feel when they read my posts on the matter.

I actually agree with you on quite a number of issues tbf.

[Quaggas]

In the end, simplistic solutions appeal from an armchair perspective. It's why communism is so appealing, too.

[sledger]

Yes, precisely. Paper argument, nothing more.

[Cevno]

Originally Posted by Spark

I actually agree with you on quite a number of issues tbf.

Yeah, AWTA.

[Spark]

Originally Posted by Quaggas

In the end, simplistic solutions appeal from an armchair perspective. It's why communism is so appealing, too.

Yeah communism came immediately came to mind when I read this too.

[Ikki]

Originally Posted by Burgey

Ikki cutting and pasting his world view from the Tea Party play book again I see.

I take it you're all for market competitiveness Ikki? Which Uni do you go to?

Tea Party? Maybe when it was concerned with Paul. It's just a party for ignorants run by the corrupt now. My points of reference are more from Friedman, Hayek, Jefferson, Locke, etc.

Yes, I am for market competitiveness. With all due respect, I don't like giving my personal info out online. Nor do I think it's actually relevant.

Originally Posted by silentstriker

U.S. News - Firefighters let home burn over $75 fee -- again

I really don't want to live in a society like that to be honest. From the point of view of providing a service, they did the 'right' thing, but it's not something I would be OK with. What if there were other people (maybe his kids) trapped in the fire? There are certain things that we ought to take collective responsibility for, and things like food & water safety, fire protection, police, etc should be some of them.

As for your food - clearly the 'market forces' aren't enough to stop the restaurants from maintaining unclean environments - that's why they get closed down by the government.

You already live in a society like that. And the measures taken are only but a teddy bear to help you sleep at night. The proposed safeties of many regulatory bodies do not reflect with their real-world results. Your firefighter example has already been addressed by the man in my avatar, although with regards to an electric company and someone dying in the end.

From 2:50 onwards
Milton Friedman on Self-Interest and the Profit Motive 1of2 - YouTube

The world is what it is and people have to be responsible in the end, eventually. And if others want to be responsible for the welfare of others, then so be it - and hopefully they will.

As for market forces, then clearly those restaurants haven't made people sick or enough people to dent their reputation. So, it does not mean they will not be closed down once their repute is damaged to the point of disrepair. No, and the point is absurd to begin with. How can the market forces work if there is an agency doing so for it? Haha, I'm surprised you missed such a simple error Manan. It's like blaming the free market for interest rates.

Originally Posted by Spark

Would love to live in this magic world where consumers have superpowered eyesight which can detect E. Coli and salmonella just by looking at the food.

The irony, and yet again, another example of your ignorance of the issue. The FDA overview the safety of the food industry, and yet E.Coli runs rampant. There are tonnes of recall stories. You can't legislate out harm. Moreover, in some cases it has been directly responsible for spreading disease.

Originally Posted by Quaggas

In the end, simplistic solutions appeal from an armchair perspective. It's why communism is so appealing, too.

Probably more appealing are socialist/leftist (their current politics) leanings. Not only simple solutions, but it purports to be in the middle. Not all the way free market and not all the way communist. Leaving those who think being balanced on an issue as intellectually superior. The worst of both worlds and smugness added on.

"Don't worry, we can fix that by throwing money at it". "If we don't actively do something right, something will go wrong". No offence, but greater minds than you and I call and called for the things I propose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ERbC7JyCfU

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A good piece for those reading along. Explains some of my positions well.

[Quaggas]

I was taught the communist manifesto by our school principal - could not find a chink anywhere. He theorized us 16yos to death.

Rumor, though, was, he was a member in the Waffen SS during WWII.

[Burgey]

Haha, fmd Ikki, because Thomas ****ing Jefferson would want a system where there's no regulation of things like public health and safety.

As for your tertiary institution, it becomes relevant if you have a HECS debt on the one hand, in which case pure happy for a bit of the old government help (for you of course, not anyone else) or alternatively if you're a Bond/ Notre Dame pretender who couldn't get into a real joint and had mum and dad pay your way in, in which case you really don't care much for the old meritocracy, do you? It's also relevant because you seem to be just recapitulating the sort of stuff that's said at a lot of Unis by a lot of lecturers as a kind of throwaway line but which naive students take as gospel.

This hodge podge cutting and pasting is ridiculous and inane. You can be conservative and have a reasoned, thought out position. But you don't. You think if you quote some hard rightards or someone like Freidman it validates your position, but it does not such thing. Honestly, it's just beyond a joke that you can simply spout this **** without the slightest idea of how these, or indeed any other, wonderful theories of yours (well, your lecturer's I suspect) would work if actually applied to society.

This has been an abject display, frankly. There's no philosophical consistency to anything you've said, there's little to no logic in it either. You belong in the hard right of the Libetal Party. You should meet up with some idiot like Alex Hawke and discuss world views. If the two of you simultaneously sneezed you might generate enough energy to stimulate your two or three remaining brain cells.

Fmd what a light weight performance. If this is the future of those who call themselves Libertarians, then it's awfully bleak for them.

These are the same sort of lightweights who say "leave telecommunications/ IT to the market, it'll sort it out". Yeah well, the market has had three decades and hasn't sorted squat in this country. The same ****tards who want no regulation ignorantly ignore the very lack of regulation which led to the GFC in the first place.

Seriously mate, this has been about a year nine debating standard performance from a no doubt either well entitled or otherwise government subsidized tertiary student put forward with not a moment's independent thought or critical analysis.

I lament that you may want to join my profession. There are already enough buffoons who think self-importantly conflating various debating points is what makes a reasoned debate or good advocacy.

Utterly, utterly dire.

[Flem274*]

Originally Posted by Burgey

You should meat up with some idiot like Alex Hawke and discuss world views.

[Burgey]

Originally Posted by Flem274*

Yes, autocorrect on the iPhone for some reason.

[Spikey]

Originally Posted by Burgey

Haha, fmd Ikki, because Thomas ****ing Jefferson would want a system where there's no regulation of things like public health and safety.

As for your tertiary institution, it becomes relevant if you have a HECS debt on the one hand, in which case pure happy for a bit of the old government help (for you of course, not anyone else) or alternatively if you're a Bond/ Notre Dame pretender who couldn't get into a real joint and had mum and dad pay your way in, in which case you really don't care much for the old meritocracy, do you? It's also relevant because you seem to be just recapitulating the sort of stuff that's said at a lot of Unis by a lot of lecturers as a kind of throwaway line but which naive students take as gospel.

This hodge podge cutting and pasting is ridiculous and inane. You can be conservative and have a reasoned, thought out position. But you don't. You think if you quote some hard rightards or someone like Freidman it validates your position, but it does not such thing. Honestly, it's just beyond a joke that you can simply spout this **** without the slightest idea of how these, or indeed any other, wonderful theories of yours (well, your lecturer's I suspect) would work if actually applied to society.

This has been an abject display, frankly. There's no philosophical consistency to anything you've said, there's little to no logic in it either. You belong in the hard right of the Libetal Party. You should meet up with some idiot like Alex Hawke and discuss world views. If the two of you simultaneously sneezed you might generate enough energy to stimulate your two or three remaining brain cells.

Fmd what a light weight performance. If this is the future of those who call themselves Libertarians, then it's awfully bleak for them.

These are the same sort of lightweights who say "leave telecommunications/ IT to the market, it'll sort it out". Yeah well, the market has had three decades and hasn't sorted squat in this country. The same ****tards who want no regulation ignorantly ignore the very lack of regulation which led to the GFC in the first place.

Seriously mate, this has been about a year nine debating standard performance from a no doubt either well entitled or otherwise government subsidized tertiary student put forward with not a moment's independent thought or critical analysis.

I lament that you may want to join my profession. There are already enough buffoons who think self-importantly conflating various debating points is what makes a reasoned debate or good advocacy.

Utterly, utterly dire.