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    Romney did impress me somewhat.

    He talked in circles a lot and went back to a handful of key points, but his oration was good. Obama was very safe in his approach.

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    Election debates, easily the least interesting part of an election cycle in any country for mine. Not a fan of how influential they seem to be.

    On Romney; it's easy to stay on-message when your message is as vague and simplistic as his is. He's had the luxury of not having to deal with real person problems for the past 4 years. Come election day I hope people see that.

    EDIT: http://www.salon.com/2012/10/04/does..._hate_his_job/
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    I read a post-debate poll saying things hadn't really moved as a result of the respective performances.

    I imagine the tactic of not going hard after Romney is because whilst the base may love it, the swinging voters likely don't.

    Still, he should have some one liners ready on Romney's policy positions for the second debate. One thing I found interesting, though hardly entertaining, was both of them were happy to talk in depth about things, using facts and figures in abundance. I don't think that would happen here - they'd be focus grouped to death on just sticking to lack of detail. Interesting.
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    The debate was stupid when they just went at each other on their tax policies and whether Romney could actually substantially cut enough deductions and loopholes. It became a matter of "well if Romney is telling the truth then yeah that's fine, but is he?" for like 20 minutes. The public is no better or worse-off with Romney saying "I can do this, it works", and Obama replying "no you actually can't, that will not work, it will result in this", and then Romney saying "Nah it will not result in that, I can do this. Trust me"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    I read a post-debate poll saying things hadn't really moved as a result of the respective performances.

    I imagine the tactic of not going hard after Romney is because whilst the base may love it, the swinging voters likely don't.

    Still, he should have some one liners ready on Romney's policy positions for the second debate. One thing I found interesting, though hardly entertaining, was both of them were happy to talk in depth about things, using facts and figures in abundance. I don't think that would happen here - they'd be focus grouped to death on just sticking to lack of detail. Interesting.
    He wasn't called out on basic, basic stuff: like him saying he supports the ban on insurance companies people with pre-existing conditions and yet him opposing the individual mandate...the two positions don't work.
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    Oh, please. Then don't run. There are Presidents who've chosen not to re-run. Or the explanation could be that he just sucked and had terrible advice on the strategy to take.

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    Watched the debate between Stewart and O'reilly. Pretty good. Interestingly both made factual errors (Stewart for example mixed up the deficit and the debt and said the debt was eliminated by the end of Clinton's term, instead of the deficit).

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Watched the debate between Stewart and O'reilly. Pretty good. Interestingly both made factual errors (Stewart for example mixed up the deficit and the debt and said the debt was eliminated by the end of Clinton's term, instead of the deficit).
    Yeah that was weird - and a little unexpected.

    O'Reilly actually makes some reasonable points that are at a minimum worth thinking about. Kinda surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Election debates, easily the least interesting part of an election cycle in any country for mine. Not a fan of how influential they seem to be.

    On Romney; it's easy to stay on-message when your message is as vague and simplistic as his is. He's had the luxury of not having to deal with real person problems for the past 4 years. Come election day I hope people see that.

    EDIT: Does Obama just hate his job? - Salon.com
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    Obama now only leading by 1.4 points nationally. Worrisome, even though he's still winning a majority of battleground states. Still, no polls have been released since the massive jobs report, so that should bump him back to where he was.

    Must say I'm looking forward to the Biden-Ryan debate, is shaping up to be much more entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Come election day I hope people see that.
    the general public is pretty stupid...and i liked what bill maher said a couple of shows ago, if there are voters undecided at this point, it is because they are too dumb to understand what is going on...and dumb voters usually vote republican...
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    Sorta disagree with that. No matter your intellect, you're obviously well aware of what's happening to you personally and a lot of people will be looking for things the candidates say which have a chance to change their personal circumstances. Putting all of the bull****/esoteric political debates aside (which only wonks and pundits are really interested in anyway), if Obama can't get across to the population at large how what he's doing will help them on an individual level, that's a failure to communicate.

    That's what made Clinton's speech so brilliant; he made clear what Obama hasn't been able to. The lines about things being on the up but it taking a while to feel it were perfect. Having normal people able to understand what he was talking about would have been a pointless exercise without making it relevant to them on a personal level. I get the feeling that many will decide to put their faith in Obama because they're really putting their faith in Clinton's endorsement of him.
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