The American Politics thread

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by Ikki

It's not just that, even though you are right. It is that they've alienated any chance of them surviving as a party. The Republican party is a dying one and they're too stupid to realise that their shot at bringing in more youth, more energy, basically died with the sham that was perpetrated throughout the voting for the nominee and the RNC.

You always hear, and people seem to agree, that politics is a dirty game. But supporting someone like Paul gives you an even better view at how utterly disgusting these people are. In Iran, you see politicians, you see speeches, you see people supporting them ... everyone knows it is all an act, it is all corrupt, the people are even paid to be there ... seeing this kind of thing is depressing for someone who loves American traditions as I do as it is basically the same exact thing.

I don't think it was corruption in this case necessarily - probably some back room deal was worked out with delegates. Eg they concede in exchange for a change in platform (like investigating the adoption of the gold standard, which was recently added to the Republican platform).

[GIMH]

Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux

As a Aussie, why do you care so much anyway? Let them support whoever they want.

[Spark]

Originally Posted by Ikki

It's not just that, even though you are right. It is that they've alienated any chance of them surviving as a party. The Republican party is a dying one and they're too stupid to realise that their shot at bringing in more youth, more energy, basically died with the sham that was perpetrated throughout the voting for the nominee and the RNC.

Haha yeah it's so dumb. They're appealing to the fastest shrinking demographic in the country... old white men.

[Spark]

Having said that, it can't be denied that they do have some very charismatic candidates coming up in the near future. Don't agree with basically anything Rubio says, but the guy definitely has something about him.

[Agent Nationaux]

Originally Posted by GIMH

There isn't anything wrong in taking an interest as Sledger put it, but to me Ikki comes across as someone really passionate about this whole affair, as if he is an American citizen himself or that we are following a global election campaign to pick the president of the world. Whoever becomes the US President will not care about the rest of the world. His only priority will be to his country. So why act so passionately about it? Reminds me of the crazy Egyptians when Obama came for a visit just before winning the elections. They acted as if he was their President and went crazy. But what has Obama ever done for Egypt?

[Spark]

It's a good point but the US remains by a massive distance the most important country in the world. Especially on someone with such unusual (in his party especially) foreign policy views as Paul has, if he ever got elected (which of course he wouldn't be) it would have big consequences for the rest of the world. Whether we like it or not, everyone is a stakeholder in a US election to some extent.

[Top_Cat]

Think the BRIC bloc, all bar India in the midst of resources booms, would have something to say about how 'massive' the distance is.

[Agent Nationaux]

Originally Posted by Spark

It's a good point but the US remains by a massive distance the most important country in the world. Especially on someone with such unusual (in his party especially) foreign policy views as Paul has, if he ever got elected (which of course he wouldn't be) it would have big consequences for the rest of the world. Whether we like it or not, everyone is a stakeholder in a US election to some extent.

Yes but why get so passionate over their domestic policy. Stuff like healthcare reforms, their views on abortion and governmental intervention in the markets. It's things like their foreign policy, international trade, etc which would affect the rest of us.

[Anil]

damn always thought eastwood was a fairly intelligent guy for some reason, but he just turned out to be an utter moron...

[Fusion]

[Spark]

Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux

Yes but why get so passionate over their domestic policy. Stuff like healthcare reforms, their views on abortion and governmental intervention in the markets. It's things like their foreign policy, international trade, etc which would affect the rest of us.

Well, then it becomes an ideological question. In a way, it's the same kind of logic that leads us to care about misfortunate around the world (famines, wars etc) that have no impact on us at all - we care because we empathise with other humans. I mean, this is much less extreme, but nonetheless if you find those things important, then it's fair enough to find it important everywhere.

[Sanz]

Originally Posted by Ikki

It's not just that, even though you are right. It is that they've alienated any chance of them surviving as a party. The Republican party is a dying one and they're too stupid to realise that their shot at bringing in more youth, more energy, basically died with the sham that was perpetrated throughout the voting for the nominee and the RNC.

You always hear, and people seem to agree, that politics is a dirty game. But supporting someone like Paul gives you an even better view at how utterly disgusting these people are. In Iran, you see politicians, you see speeches, you see people supporting them ... everyone knows it is all an act, it is all corrupt, the people are even paid to be there ... seeing this kind of thing is depressing for someone who loves American traditions as I do as it is basically the same exact thing.

Ron Paul Sold out and betrayed his loyal supporters so that his Son Rand Paul could have a future in Republican Party. Make no mistake, if Politics is a dirty game, it is because of the people like Ron Paul.

[Ikki]

Originally Posted by Sanz

Ron Paul Sold out and betrayed his loyal supporters so that his Son Rand Paul could have a future in Republican Party. Make no mistake, if Politics is a dirty game, it is because of the people like Ron Paul.

Get off it. His son played the game, not Paul. Paul to this day still doesn't endorse Romney and sees him as no alternative. I actually wish Paul was more politically savvy; he's happy enough with what he's achieved thus far and that is just to have made a dent in the conversation. As idealist as his fans are - that he had a shot - he knew the realities from the beginning.

Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux

Yes but why get so passionate over their domestic policy. Stuff like healthcare reforms, their views on abortion and governmental intervention in the markets. It's things like their foreign policy, international trade, etc which would affect the rest of us.

Well a lot of those discussions revolved around ideology. And again, I think if America goes one way a lot of the world follows. Maybe I am exaggerating it, maybe I am not; but I think America still leads the Western world at least.

[Sanz]

Originally Posted by Ikki

Get off it. His son played the game, not Paul. Paul to this day still doesn't endorse Romney and sees him as no alternative. I actually wish Paul was more politically savvy; he's happy enough with what he's achieved thus far and that is just to have made a dent in the conversation. As idealist as his fans are - that he had a shot - he knew the realities from the beginning.

Ron Paul's supporters/fans naive enough to believe the above but I am not naive to believe that Rand Paul is operating his political career independently, it seems you have not been following their careers much. And a big LOL @ Paul being not politically savvy. Yeah Right !! what does a statement like " I don't fully endorse Romney " mean but a shrewd political game which is to support Romney as well keep his supporters happy.

[Ikki]

It means while Romney agrees with him on some things, he won't endorse him because they disagree on the grand majority of things. While the others toe the party line, Paul has come out and said there is little, if any, difference between the two nominees.

Rand Paul and Ron Paul are father and son but they're actually quite different in many respects. But you'd know that if you knew much about them.