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    Schools admit they do not push gifted students

    State schools admit they do not push gifted pupils because they don't want to promote 'elitism' | Mail Online

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    The study, by Professor Alan Smithers and Dr Pamela Robinson of Buckingham University, said it was 'a nonsense' that specialist science schools were barred from selecting pupils according to their ability in science.
    How in the world do they select students then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    State schools admit they do not push gifted pupils because they don't want to promote 'elitism' | Mail Online

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    How in the world do they select students then?
    In our school they did most of the sets based on a cat test (similar to an iq test) we did in our first year, which to me is a bit stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Ive had long conversations about this and it is laughable. Unfortunately I dont have time to post details now. Ill add something later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    State schools admit they do not push gifted pupils because they don't want to promote 'elitism' | Mail Online

    WTF?

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    How in the world do they select students then?
    'Specialist' schools are a bit of a misnomer TBH, just about every comprehensive is a 'specialist school' in something these days. It just means that they've thrown more money into that subject. So specialising in science doesn't really mean anything at all - it's not some science-orientated academy, if you get what I mean.

    EDIT: Agree with general sentiment though, it's just an acceptance of mediocrity. There needs to be some element of integration to create an element of fairness and ensure there is no social stratification, but there also should be an overriding need to teach pupils to their own requirements.
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    Lol, sounds like my school so much. Leading up to GCSEs last year I had to "tutor" 5 people for Maths. The only thing I'm shocked about is that it's only 3/4.

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    Duh.
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    The sad thing is that it's true as well, I'm having to self-teach GCSE statistics (I'm not complaining by the way as I really wanted to do it and I'm still confident of getting a good grade), but I feel that this should be something that is actually given an option to top-set maths students like at Grammar Schools. My school does at least have an academy for students dentified as Gifted and Talented, however the only extracurricular stuff I (and some of the others, obviously) have had is a two-hour "Creative Writing Workshop" with a couple of children's authors. I'm not even sure if many enjoyed it anyway.
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    Our school is a specialist science and maths college, as well as being a grammar school, but it doesn't stop the physics department from being totally rubbish. It's really infuriating, given physics is the most important subject and all
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    I've said this before, but no one likes their introductorty physics teachers. It's because you have to teach yourself physics by doing hundreds of problems. No one can 'teach' it to you in a way that doesn't then require hours of practice.

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    In my school they made the gifted students arrogant, by telling them they're better than everyone else. Which in my opinion, insults the more observant of the rest of the students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andmark View Post
    In my school they made the gifted students arrogant, by telling them they're better than everyone else. Which in my opinion, insults the more observant of the rest of the students.
    Maybe because at that subject, they are better than you. You'll meet people better than you at every subject through academics, sports, social life, etc. Don't like it? Work harder until you're the best at something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Maybe because at that subject, they are better than you. You'll meet people better than you at every subject through academics, sports, social life, etc. Don't like it? Work harder until you're the best at something.
    To be honest, I took that rather offensively.

    I will quote some happenstances to back up my point.

    1) When they found out, they were happy (and fair enough), but many of them even started saying, "We're smarter than you." And one person even said that they're a better person than me for it. I will post some more of these occasions after a game of Chess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andmark
    To be honest, I took that rather offensively.

    I will quote some happenstances to back up my point.

    1) When they found out, they were happy (and fair enough), but many of them even started saying, "We're smarter than you." And one person even said that they're a better person than me for it. I will post some more of these occasions after a game of Chess. .
    So get better. And we're talking about schools, not individual students bullying each other. And yes, it's possible that in life, no matter how hard you try, sometimes you're not good enough. That doesn't mean you deserve the same rewards as someone who is. I'd have loved to be on the math olympiad, but I'm not good enough - because it may hurt my self esteem doesn't mean other kids shouldn't be chosen for their, more superior, math skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    So get better. And we're talking about schools, not individual students bullying each other. And yes, it's possible that in life, no matter how hard you try, sometimes you're not good enough. That doesn't mean you deserve the same rewards as someone who is. I'd have loved to be on the math olympiad, but I'm not good enough - because it may hurt my self esteem doesn't mean other kids shouldn't be chosen for their, more superior, math skills.
    I'm not saying they shouldn't, I was just pointing out the effects on the attitiudes it had on the " more superior" the system had in my school. But if a school is to do that system, they should have as much emphasis on improving those who aren't as good.

    FTR: This year, I have taken a science GCSE a year early, got into the top 3% in my year at Maths, and I'm expected to get a B in a history test. I'm in year 9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andmark View Post
    I'm not saying they shouldn't, I was just pointing out the effects on the attitiudes it had on the " more superior" the system had in my school. But if a school is to do that system, they should have as much emphasis on improving those who aren't as good.
    Sure, all that is theoretically fine. The responsibility lies with the stduent, and generally throwing more money doesn't necessarily help.

    Those that do show a willingness to work harder and are better should definitely have the ability to take more advanced courses, and more academic opportunities.

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