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    Air France jet missing over Atlantic, 228 on board

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    Quote Originally Posted by biased indian View Post
    Hope we have a happy ending
    Yeah. The worst outcome does not bear thinking about.
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    Air France says the Airbus jet that disappeared en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris sent an automatic signal indicating electrical problems while going through an area of strong turbulence.
    Air France says in a statement the plane that carried 228 on board "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence" at 0200 GMT Monday (10:00 p.m. EDT Sunday).
    It says "an automatic message was received at 0214 GMT (10:14 p.m. EDT Sunday) signaling electrical circuit malfunction."
    It says the 216 passengers included one infant, seven children, 82 women and 126 men.
    It says the plane entered service in 2005 and last underwent maintenance April 16.


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    "Lightning strike" and "catastrophic systems failure" are two of the (perhaps related) causes being bandied about...whatever happened the plane would now have run out of fuel regardless, and for there to be no sign of it on any radar is truly worrying.

    I would love to be wrong but I can't see any scenario now other than worst-case.
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    Sad stuff. Hope they got down safely somehow. Though it seems very unlikely now.
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    I don't know much about planes and stuff, but isn't it better to crash in the sea then on land? Land being all solid and hard and earthy and stuff.
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    You hit water hard enough, it isn't very forgiving. And while it may possibly mean less structural damage to the plane, if you're too far from land, don't have time to ditch into your life rafts, and aren't rescued pretty damn quick, it ain't any better for the people on board...
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    Yeah. I'm not claiming it's good or anything, but planes float, and stuff, so it's less bad than hitting the earth.

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    Yeah, potentially it is, I guess.

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    Not if you're crashing. Plane nose dives into the water it'll disintegrate on impact just like it would on land. And the water landing we saw earlier in the year was on a plane that still had some control on calm waters without much speed. This would be a plane travelling fast, falling from a great height with possibly no control into the Alantic ocean.

    Hate to say it but I don't think there is much hope.

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    Emergency landing on water is exponentially more difficult. Put it this way; the one into the Hudson was the first non-fatal ditching ever.

    EDIT: should add, subject to conditions. Other pilots I've spoken to, type-rated on A320's, have said they'd definitely rather ditch in clear skies than land on a wet night with elevator control after an engine failure, 25kt crosswinds, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Emergency landing on water is exponentially more difficult. Put it this way; the one into the Hudson was the first non-fatal ditching ever.
    That was just plain freakish, but hopefully another freakish one can come through again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Not if you're crashing. Plane nose dives into the water it'll disintegrate on impact just like it would on land. And the water landing we saw earlier in the year was on a plane that still had some control on calm waters without much speed. This would be a plane travelling fast, falling from a great height with possibly no control into the Alantic ocean.

    Hate to say it but I don't think there is much hope.
    You're clearing winging it.

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