At my old Uni there were a lot of Chinese students who never mixed with other people and tended to stay together. As a result their English never improved.
Interestingly we're having a discussion about something similar on Facebook and a mate of mine has just told us that at TAFE there are a number of foreign teachers employed as English teachers who get paid half that of an Australian English teachers...incredible if true.
Last edited by Son Of Coco; 25-05-2012 at 06:19 PM.
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Later I met someone who professionally wrote term papers for money at the university - so I wondered if he was involved with their grades.
The school started discussing having an interview to get into our faculty. I am not sure if anything came of it.
After that, he came back to Canada and started working with Oil Futures. After a few years of that, through his contacts, he earned himself a job out in Calgary earning $120,000. And he's only about 27-28.
I know at our school (which is a long way away from a uni), students are given 100 chances to **** things up or do the wrong thing before anything is done to make them responsible for their actions. And even then, if anything is done at all.
There's another issue attached to the international student thing, which is markers who are unwilling to be harsh on students from non-english speaking backgrounds if they are seen to be making an effort. I've seen comparable marks given to english speaking students who are generally pretty lazy but produce work of a reasonable standard and international students who are seen to be working against a handicap but trying their best.
It's reasonable from a teaching standpoint but does tend to produce a fairly low standard of graduate.
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To be honest I don't see it as reasonable from a teaching standpoint as I see the students come through our school on their way to uni, and the biggest problem is that a large number of them aren't stopped advancing through the system when the opportunity arises as they're seen as customers who should get what they want, not students who are relying on us advising them on the best way to achieve their goals through English. It's nigh on impossible to remove under-achieving students from your class (even under-attending student are difficult to remove).
If the system actually did what it advertises then there'd be no need to allow for students who have difficulties understanding what's going on and/or producing decent work in the first place.
Without sounding too mean, I seriously hope a large number of students who can't keep up or produce the required work actually are failed. I'm a little dubious as to whether this is actually the case if they're paying International fees. I guess where it gets a little muddy for the universities is situations where they've accepted the students as direct entry and then have to deal with the fact they've let them in and then realised they're not coping with the work/capable of doing it well enough.
Last edited by Son Of Coco; 26-05-2012 at 08:32 AM.
What I mean is that I can see how as a teacher it is easy to be harsh on a student who doesn't give much of a **** as compared to a student who tries hard but has significant barriers to success. Obviously it's not what should happen, however.
I've seen a lot of people scrape through with a 50 or whatever when they patently don't have the skillset one would expect from a humanities graduate, and that's a real problem.
And then you have international students who don't try at all, something of a different problem.
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I remember a few international students who didn't contribute at all to our group business plan, whilst I spent a few nights up doing it with another guy. All we could do about it was give them a mark on how much they contributed and nothing came of that except them getting exactly the same mark as me.
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