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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Nah, the sentiment in the title is garbage as well.
    The thing is, being "proud of your race" in and of itself is pretty stupid, without specific social conditions to make it relevant. There's nothing to be proud of, right? You didn't do anything to earn your racial categorisation and, racists aside, nobody thinks it defines your character that you are a particular race, so what exactly are you proud of?
    I agree with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    The sole and obvious exception to this is if you are raised in a social environment that teaches you that your race is somehow inferior or undesirable, and deal your whole life with people looking at and treating you differently because of this broad categorisation which should obviously define absolutely nothing about who you can be. In that situation, saying "you know what? I'm proud of my race" is a meaningful political statement, in the same way as being proud to be gay is a meaningful statement in a cultural climate that hates gay people. It's coming forward and saying "**** you, there's nothing wrong with what I am, no matter what you tell me". It is not, in short, about saying that your race is somehow better than the alternative, which is what pride would imply under other conditions.
    .. but disagree with this entirely. Pride is not merely the absence of shame where others feel you should be ashamed.

    I frankly have no interest in setting different goalposts for "status quo social groups".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Well, to be fair to them, liking a Facebook page doesn't mean you support all the comments; just the title of it and the description (if it has one). And while the title obviously lends itself to moron racists liking it and posting comments, I don't think there's that much wrong with the sarcastic statement in itself. There's a little bit of truth to it in some areas of society IMO.

    No doubt those comments you posted, and the vast majority of them on there, are an absolutely disgrace to humanity though. They anger me greatly. People like that do absolutely nothing to support the cause of those who think political correctness has gone too far in some areas and that some people are becoming over-sensitive to things completely out of context. It's becoming increasingly difficult to find any sort of association or group that opposes political correctness, affirmative action etc that hasn't been over-run by moron racist rednecks. What grinds my gears is racists thinking colour-blindness appeals to their ideals.
    Don't you have to actually go to a page to like it though? Maybe not, dunno.

    I think white people do get accused of racism more than other races - partly because of people like the ones posting on this page and partly for historical reasons. I got 100% on a sourced based General Studies (lol) paper at AS Level that tackled the topic of whether white people were intrinsically racist by refuting sources and stating that to label an entire race as racist is in itself racist. I understand the frustration people can feel when someone plays the racist card in an argument when someone hasn't been racist - in fact a CW poster did it to me not long back, and it's something I have discussed with you off forum as well.

    That being said, I think the sentiment expressed in the title alone is completely unnecessary. Proactively bemoaning the fact that white people are sometimes labelled racist is only going to breed hate. It's not even like the page provides a trigger event, where someone has been labelled racist perhaps unfairly. It's just a thinly veiled excuse to be openly racist and post BNP videos under the guise of being treated unfairly. It's like if Facebook were to delete that page, all its members can go, "See! Point proven. Poor discriminated white men FML" and probably take their hate to a new level.

    As an aside, I was surprised by the number of females posting on that page. When I used to buy lads mags they always used to have surveys and **** that said racism was the thing that put women off men second most (farting was always first).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Don't you have to actually go to a page to like it though? Maybe not, dunno.
    Nah, I think that if someone else likes it and it appears on your news feed, you can just click Like there without having to read the comments.

    That being said, I think the sentiment expressed in the title alone is completely unnecessary. Proactively bemoaning the fact that white people are sometimes labelled racist is only going to breed hate. It's not even like the page provides a trigger event, where someone has been labelled racist perhaps unfairly. It's just a thinly veiled excuse to be openly racist and post BNP videos under the guise of being treated unfairly. It's like if Facebook were to delete that page, all its members can go, "See! Point proven. Poor discriminated white men FML" and probably take their hate to a new level.
    I agree that the page was unnecessary, likely to make the situation worse, undesirable to join and an inevitable hotspot for genuinely racist comments and beliefs (which is what my rant was about) but I don't think the sentiment is actually wrong as such. I wouldn't label someone as racist merely because they'd joined it because although the whole thing seems pretty cringe-worthy because of the kind of people who do join those groups, I still think it'd be possible to like the page as a result of a conservative colourblindness viewpoint.

    All the racists hopping on board at every opportunity is why the anti-affirmative action, anti-political correctness groups etc will never gain any traction or be taken seriously. If I started up a Facebook page outlining my views on affirmative action, it'd be hopping mad with racists and end up precisely like the page you linked. The exact same thing would happen if I started a political party based on those ideals - all the racist morons would flock to it and take it over. Would it make me racist for starting it up? Or just naiive for expecting any different?

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    Na´ve and that's what I'm getting at.what's the point? Even if the page I linked to was started with honest intentions, or as a pisstake like Jack expected, it's going to end up that way isn't it?

    And you know I agree with you that the sentiment the title expresses (in terms of white people getting labelled racists more often) can be understood in some circumstances. This group doesn't express any such ideals which is a reason why I am very much of the opinion that its intentions were not honourable.

    If you wanted to start a page for your own ideals, you can make it request to join (can have a quick glance at other pages and groups a person belongs to, there are plenty of 'get out of my shop! Get out of my country, ****!' groups that tell you plenty about a person) or moderate it so it doesn't become a cesspit. Here at CW, if an Ind-Pak thread turns into a hate-filled Kashimir flame war, you lot sort it out. You don't sit back and say 'well that's what happens when India and Pakistan play each other.'


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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Na´ve and that's what I'm getting at.what's the point? Even if the page I linked to was started with honest intentions, or as a pisstake like Jack expected, it's going to end up that way isn't it?

    And you know I agree with you that the sentiment the title expresses (in terms of white people getting labelled racists more often) can be understood in some circumstances. This group doesn't express any such ideals which is a reason why I am very much of the opinion that its intentions were not honourable.

    If you wanted to start a page for your own ideals, you can make it request to join (can have a quick glance at other pages and groups a person belongs to, there are plenty of 'get out of my shop! Get out of my country, ****!' groups that tell you plenty about a person) or moderate it so it doesn't become a cesspit. Here at CW, if an Ind-Pak thread turns into a hate-filled Kashimir flame war, you lot sort it out. You don't sit back and say 'well that's what happens when India and Pakistan play each other.'
    Yeah, I agree that there's some evidence to suggest the group was never honourable to begin with, but that wasn't actually my point until I got off-track and started a rant about racists being attracted to and over-running groups and associations not intended for them in the slightest (something I've personally witnessed a few times). My original point was that perhaps you shouldn't be so disappointed in your friends who have joined that group, as the sentiment expressed in the title isn't overtly racist and they may be unawares as to the content of the comments and opinions of the majority of its member base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I agree with this.



    .. but disagree with this entirely. Pride is not merely the absence of shame where others feel you should be ashamed.

    I frankly have no interest in setting different goalposts for "status quo social groups".
    Goalposts have nothing to do with it, the statement just has a different meaning. Saying "I'm proud to be gay" in a culture that hates gay people is saying that it's okay to be gay, despite what people may teach you. It's a message of acceptance for a marginalised social group, and frankly it's a message which is helpful for a lot of people. Saying "I'm proud to be white" in a culture dominated by whiteness and white people is saying that there is something fundamentally better about the status quo than the alternatives, supporting broad social messages that other races deserve their marginalised status. It's accepting difference vs promoting that which is already accepted as "normal" as the only desirable status.
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    Aye, inspiring. I hate white people a little less because of him.

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    On the same sort of theme, I'm now seeing a facebook page floating around my friends relating to banning the burqa.

    All the arguments along the lines of "they've come to our country so they should dress like Aussies" and other stuff like that. Lots of swearing and rambling about how Islam isn't a valid religion and its 'Un-Australian' .etc

    So yeah, why are some people such ****s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes View Post
    I hate whites. Especially when they find their way into my coloured linens. Disaster city.
    Indeed, seperate wash baskets is the way to go. Wonder if Langers can find some old apartheid era signs lying around next time he's back in South Africa, would look awesome (if ever so slightly offensive) hung above the wash baskets
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